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We don't elect Democrats to legislate based on what Republicans might do. The real reason Democrats consider the Jim Crow Filibuster to be more important than the lives and rights of pregnant patients is that if the Jim Crow Filibuster goes away, they lose their procedural excuse for breaking campaign promises that they never intended to even try to keep.
We absolutely do, what are you talking about? That's probably the biggest reason Biden was even elected. Because of what Trump might do.
Fair enough. Guess we'll just deal with a deliberately useless party with no ambitions greater than "don't lose" until they eventually lose anyway and we get the fascism they didn't bother to do anything to stop except temporarily occupying offices in its way.
But in the meantime, you get to pretend you're moral when you demand unquestioning fealty to a guy who supports genocide.
You: we're gonna eventually get fascism anyway, so why not today?
I dunno, maybe because every electoral cycle that you aren't under fascism is still better than being under it? Like if nothing else, you're keeping the status quo that isn't them executing political rivals and doing mass deportations for a time. I'd argue even if they've accomplished nothing else that is obviously better.
That's not what I said. I was saying that maybe Democrats should try actually moving the needle away from fascism instead of being content with temporarily slowing it's rightward motion.
This naturally offended you because you never want the status quo to improve, just get worse more slowly.
Doesn't offend me at all, because I don't live in fantasy land. You were implying that filling the seat and keeping the status quo is worthless, but it isn't.
It's honestly odd to me that people like yourself that claim to believe that Trump signals actual fascism seem relatively ok with the prospect that he could win. It's not the status quo couch potatoes that are the first in front of the firing squad if fascism gets empowered, it's the organizers and the protestors. It's the "leftists" you claim to be part of. Dude wanted to shoot protestors in his last stint in office and people like yourself are basically fine with his return.
Accelerationism is fucking stupid.
In addition to that point (that's very supported historically) accelerationism doesn't even accelerate the advent of "true leftism" or whatever. Mussolini stayed in power for decades. The odds of "the left" winning some kind of actual war in this country without the support of industry, the military, or the police are pathetically small.
But sure, don't vote and shit talk Biden cuz that'll get us gay space communism in 2024. 🥱
Gaslighting isn't the same as defending your position.
In the long run, we get fascism either way. That needle needs to move left.
I'm voting for the pro-genocide candidate you want me to. I have every right to criticize his support for genocide and the deliberate uselessness of his party at even attempting to stop fascism.
He's not my favorite either, but he at least beat the orange fascist wannabe once at the ballot box and fingers crossed he does it again.
Voting and/or gotv efforts are easier than removing a dictator via revolution so that's what I advocate. Call me square all you like.
I'm not advocating for not voting.
If more people voted for them and not for actual literal Nazi fascism, then we could reorient our priorities away from "save democracy".
If fascism was reduced to the fringe party it deserves, then the process of improving people's lives would be much easier.
They had the opportunity to do that, and chose the filibuster instead. More Democrats in the senate just means we'll find a few more no votes.
You guys are totally just MAGAs painted blue. This is just a rephrasing of the whole "deep state" thing.
If it quits happening, I'll quit sayin' it.