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Why do some activities have different minimum ages?
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These sorts of decisions are the result of specific historic conflicts, and cannot really be understood without knowing about these conflicts. They aren't derived from first principles.
For instance, the US voting age was only lowered to 18 in 1971, partly in response to the Vietnam-War-era objection that 18-year-old men were being drafted to go kill or die overseas, but could not vote.
Meanwhile, Reagan being an ass is why the drinking age in all states got upped to 21!
Reagan is why a lot of things in this country are wrong.
Yeah, but do you know anyone who waited until 21 to drink alcohol?
I actually did. I have some minor family history of alcoholism, nothing too drastic, but enough that I figured my brain could probably use an extra couple years of development before I pushed my luck on it.
Don't know if it actually made any significant difference, but I have a pretty healthy relationship with booze, I'm no teetotaler by a longshot, but I don't drink to excess except for a small handful of parties a year, and normally go a couple weeks even a month or more between drinking.
Thats amazing. I did not have the awareness at 17 to not drink. I grew up in a house that always had alcohol but drunkenness was pretty rare. Both of my kids struggled with alcohol and figured out pretty early that it could be bad for relationships.
Not who you replied to, but I also had no interest due to excellent role models in my family for what NOT to do. I have had 1 alcoholic beverage my entire life, on my 21st birthday, and it was completely lackluster.
I will say that in my home my parents also had healthy relationships with alcohol, when I say I have some family history it's not like I grew up surrounded by drunks, I have a few aunts and uncles and such who I'd call borderline or functional alcoholics, my grandmother was an alcoholic but sobered up long before I came around, etc. There were enough good cautionary tales around, but also plenty of good role models that did a good job of setting me on a good path to be a responsible drinker.
Also, my parents are almost a caricature of responsible, boring suburbanites who did a good job of teaching me the value of a dollar and all of that boring crap that my fellow millennials complain about not learning in school, so while I very much enjoy drinking, my wallet would never let me become an alcoholic. Even the cheap stuff is too damn expensive, and life is too short to drink shitty beer.
I did. OCD, habitual rule follower. Didn't see therapy until later in my 20s.
I do, yeah. I would make them play drinking games with water so they weren’t left out. College was a wild ride
No, because I'm from Australia
The idea that virtually nothing in life is actually derived from first principles, and is instead derived from sometimes very random history, would probably deserve to go near the top of any FAQ for life. Might be one of the most common misconceptions in the entire world, the idea that somehow, some way, someone had to have created things the way they are intentionally, for specific reasons.
Instead of things just working out this way because of a handful of barely-related decisions made by basically random people here and there through history, and everyone else just going along with it because they mainly just care about their own lives, who they're dating/marrying, what job they have and what's for dinner tonight, far more than they care about the voting age.
Our world is far more haphazard than planned, overall.
Yep. But also, fake first-principles explanations are commonly offered when people ask "Why is the rule thus-and-so?"
"Why can't I vote yet? (or: marry, buy a gun, etc.)?"
"You're not old enough."
"Why not?"
"Because 18-year-olds are just more mature than 15-year-olds."
"Why? Who says?"
"Um. The Constitution!"
"But it used to say something different."
"Yep. We know better now."
"Says who?"
"Democracy!"
The 15-year-old correctly assesses that these are not real explanations, but rather rationalizations of a rule that was decided not from first principles, but rather through people in history arguing over it, sometimes protesting or even fighting, and changing the rules.
That thought hadn't crossed my mind, sounds like it's definitely worth taking a look, which should also give more glimpses about lawmaking in different countries