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this post was submitted on 24 Feb 2024
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Step 1: go to a trans instance.
Step 2: Tell them that the supporters of a party that wants to erradicate them aren't so bad.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Whine about how they banned you.
Read the room smart guy. It ain't a site wide ban anyhow.
Not at all what i said here or in the post. I speak from experience on this, there are a lot of people being influenced by the extremists that can still be communicated with. This attitude is exactly what i'm referring to as well. You put them all under the same umbrella, which, if we keep doing this, will only make the problems for people on both sides worse.
I don't mind the ban much, I can just make another account. But I think it is representative of an issue larger than Lemmy.
The problem is that we do not want to spend our entire life "influencing" others. The admin of Blahaj specifically made the instance in order to be a place where we don't have to deal with that burden.
If you want to go deal with transphobic fucktards and try to advocate for tolerance then you go right ahead. No one is stopping you.
First, i want to make it extremely clear that i am NOT advocating for "tolerance" with these people. I am advocating for communication and education. We should not simply tolerate having people hate us, especially with the level some extremists are willing to go to.
I understand the need for a safe space. It's a good concept. But there's a fine line between safe space and political echo chamber. Once you start banning people for advocating for an option other than hate, it becomes problematic.
I have successfully disageed with the Blahaj admin about this issue and I remain unbanned.
Well that's a good sign at least. I think i just ran into a triggerhappy mod.
This is what I imagine American politics discussion online looks like.
There are just NO nuance. Not even a little bit. Too many extremists on ALL sides.
Yeah, this is a baffling take. LGBTQ+ folks and lefties are not actively using legislation and direct violence to eradicate the conservative bigots. I'll call them bigots and detest their existence and fight against their power grabs....but I'm not actively trying to commit ethnic/societal cleansing.
And why do they think like that? The only thing they see in their bubble is the most extreme and annoying propagandized depiction of us. And the solution somehow is to push them even further away? There's plenty of people out there who held extreme beliefs and have been humbled through mere interaction with someone of the opposing group.
What we're doing here is the same as what they do. Portray them all in the same horrible light. Someome who thinks "as long as they keep it in the bedroom" 10 years ago, will now be much more likely to be more extreme because of echo chambers.
Someone who think "as long as they dont force their religious values on us" is now much more likely to think they all want to eradicate us, because of echo chambers.
We/they (I'm a leftist, but not really LGBTQ+) don't think they want to eradicate us, we know that they want to eradicate us. Their penchant for violence and bigotry was the initial violation of the social contract and our rejection and intolerance of their hatred is the consequence. I can present a polite face to someone and hate them without wishing for their death or attacking them directly. I attack their ideology, actions, and effects, but I do not attack individuals, physically, verbally, or otherwise.
So you're saying their methods are more aggressive. You're not describing your average trump supporter, right? You're describing the extreme, just like they describe the extremists of the left in their propaganda. I'm not suggesting we waste time on extremists. I'm suggesting there is hope for the rest of them.
The "average" ones that I've encountered don't endorse outright violence, but they would very much like for all the "undesirables" to just disappear somehow...they're just not too troubled about how that happens, so they turn a blind eye to the more extreme/more violent ones.
Okay, which brings me back to, why push those people further away, so they only strengthen that worldview rather than trying to communicate with them and show them who we really are? It's not like you don't want the undesirables to go away somehow as well, right?
It's rather hard to push someone further away than them wishing for your death because they don't agree with your identity or ideology. There are people closer to center that I have had successful conversations with, but the ones that firmly believe that leftists or LGBTQ+ folks are subhuman are too far gone. I don't want those bigoted people gone, but I do think that I am not responsible for putting myself in the position of being the target of their ire. I can't change their minds and subjecting myself to their hatred only serves to harm me.
I don't want them dead. As awful as they are, they are still human. I just don't want them to have any power or influence over my life or anyone else's. They can live their lives in accordance with their beliefs, but the second they try to apply their beliefs to anyone else, they have gone too far and need to be stopped.
Yeah that's valid. It's not your responsability to deal with their warped worldview.