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[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

In a Thursday morning press conference in Florida, Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, a failed 2024 presidential candidate, flanked by representatives from the Southern Poverty Law Center-designated anti-government extremist group Moms for Liberty, including co-founder Tina Descovich, attempted to defend the state’s restrictive educational policies.

In a Thursday morning press conference in Florida, the state's Governor Ron DeSantis spoke in favor of the state's educational policies which some groups call "over restrictive".

Which is more biased? The first paragraph is true, but is obviously trying to paint DeSantis more negatively.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Leaving out details is also bias. Especially when those details are pertinent to the subject being reported on.

That he was talking about state policies could arguably be said to warrant including politics based details of the situation. Him being a failed presidential candidate and attending said event with a representatives of an anti-government extremist group would probably qualify for that.

The difference between:

Man speaks at length against restrictions to future meat-production quota's

vs

Man known for previously running on a platform of meat-quota deregulation. speaks at length against restrictions to future meat-production quota's, surrounded by meat industry lobbyists.

Yes, the second one sounds more negative, but that's not necessarily bias.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think my comment did a reasonable job of responding to the previous comment's question?

I agree that leaving out details is bias, and everyone has bias. Bias can't be avoided.

The article is about DeSantis's bigoted hypocrisy. He is a bigot and hypocrite.

It's not relevant that he's also a failed presidential nominee. It's not relevant that he is backed by anti government extremists (his candidacy was aligned with that organization's gross priorities).

The additions only serve to further alienate the reader from DeSantis and DeSantis supporters. It's clearly biased against him.

This is an appropriate place for anti-DeSantis bias, but the person saying they were put off by the bias is entitled to feel that way too. If a person can't see how that article is biased it says a lot about them.

[–] Senal@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago

I think it did a reasonable job of responding by pointing out a bias that I also think is evident. There was a choice to use certain phrases in the way they were used.

I just think the level of bias in that direction isn't as large as it seemed because he is a politician, speaking about a situation with politics in mind. As such , details that potentially add context to the politics of the situation are relevant, that's not necessarily bias as much as relevant context.

I don't personally think him being a failed presidential candidate has much bearing past the possible bitterness he might be bringing to proceedings but actively choosing to appear with what could be considered an extremist group, for me, absolutely speaks to political and personal character, for good or ill ( a negative to me personally ).

The additions only serve to further alienate the reader from DeSantis and DeSantis supporters. It's clearly biased against him.

Potentially, but that doesn't make them inherently bias, for some that probably looks like a show of power.

That you personally think it's a negative speaks more to your own bias than the inclusion of the details. That goes for me as well.

Choosing not to include those details could just as easily be considered bias.

If a person can't see how that article is biased it says a lot about them.

If you mean me specifically then I'd answer that I do in fact think there's a bias, i wasn't arguing for the absence of bias,i was arguing that the specific bias you mentioned wasn't the only possible kind that should be considered and that in light of the additional kinds it might move the needle of where the bias might be falling.

I'm assuming (possibly incorrectly) that you think that the included details can only be taken negatively, what does that say about your own bias?

[–] Nevoic@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some people, yourself included, have gone overboard on the sensitivity towards bias. You're at the point that including facts reads to you as bias. It's always made sense that excluding certain facts can be perceived as a bias, but now you want an "enlightened centrist" media outlet to omit facts to paint the fascists in a better light?

You've gone too far. The truth is Ron is a piece of shit. If speaking that truth is biased, then reality is biased.