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Imagine if we had elected this beautiful bastard back in 2016.
Imagine if Gore won.
*if Gore's win wasn't stolen by the supreme court
I seethed for months over this. Months.
Boomers wonder why the younger generations seem to 'hate america'.
Well it's because of bullshit like this. Repugnicunts have hijacked democracy and its roots are in Nixon and we have been forced to grow up under the lie that we are free and represented by our politicians.
Democrats did exactly the same to Bernie in 2016. Leaked emails confirm that the DNC actively conspired against Sanders.
And then Hillary was such a bad candidate that Trump won. Thank the DNC for that one.
Similar deal here in the UK with Corbyn, except he was already leader of the party. Destroyed by his own kind. Most politicians accept that the only way into office is to gain control of an existing party. I'm glad for Americans that Bernie Sanders still seems to have some mainstream credibility. Jeremy Corbyn was attacked so hard from all vested interests on all fronts that he has almost become a tragic meme, despite how exceptional he was/is as a figurehead.
My parents tried to explain to me why Bush won instead of Gore, and my little kid brain was like "but he won though"
That was my first ever presidential election vote, I was so excited to see someone with legit interest in saving the environment, full of hope for a new future. I remember how giddy it felt to step into the booth.
I lived in florida then, the entire state was thrown out by a legit conspiracy.
And it's jaded my vision of politics ever since.
Yeah, it's a big reason why I think civil disobedience is making a comeback.
People are realizing the government doesn't exist for them; it exists for the ruling class. That's not how it should work and we don't have to play by the rules they make for us.
Full of invasive species, Florida man, woman, fucking craziness all around with zero hope. I'm glad i wasn't born there.
Too bad the primary really was rigged
I keep seeing people say this. where can I find more information on the subject?
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#July_2016:_National_Convention_and_email_leaks
We need a national movement to take the primaries out of the hands of the parties and run them like regular elections. Even better would be rank choice voting so we are no longer stuck with the two choices the wealthy give us.
Maybe a national movement for a viable third party.
Tried and failed, over and over and over and over again, but sure, I'm sure it will end differently this time.
If we could get enough voter cooperation to replace one of the major parties, any strategy would work. If we can't then going third party is the worst possibile strategy.
Things do change if people try.
Oh, definitely. I'm not critiquing "optimism", just a particular strategy. There is no advantage that exists in a third party strategy that doesn't exist in a intra-party strategy, but there are a lot of disadvantages. Until we get rid of first-past-the-post elections, third parties can't overcome the spoiler effect.
Fucking tell me about it, I was living in florida at the time
One can dream
World would be so much better off
Or 2020
Bernie is a Zionist.
He's a jew who also worked in Israel for a few years when he was younger. He's also one of the most critical voices of Israel in America. He's not a Zionist. Being accepting of Israel as a concept (while it's not ideal how it exists at all) doesn't make you a Zionist. A Zionist must want to take over the territory and make it a place for Jews exclusively.
He is a Zionist and engages in partisan discourse within zionism. He is only critical of who is empowering the Zionist state. He still supports the project, and you agree he does. Being accepting of it absolutely makes him a Zionist. Isreal does not have the right to exist.
No country has a "right" to exist. They just do. Yes, Israel was created under bad pretenses, but that's true for basically every nation. It doesn't prevent them from being better than they started, though Israel is only doing worse for the most part.
Too bad he was vocally pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian liberation up until now. Ready to blindly believe the lies about the 40 babies, and somehow that Israel is allowed continued support every year with our money. Dude has lost all my support ever since bowing to Dems both times and not fighting. He allowed Dems to get what they wanted and all of us are assholes for not fucking around about withholding votes. Bernie got people excited about real change, and then allowed the very establishment we need removed to bring it to a hard stop (like always). Fuck him and his masters that enabled Israel's decades and decades of planned genocide started with the colonization of Palestine by Zionists! He is just doing what all the Dems do, good quotes/speeches and nothing changed.
What more do you want him to do? Politics moves on the margins, and Sanders is now and for as long as I can remember been one of the most Israel critical politicians both in terms of rhetoric and voting history. He is not a king; he is 1% of 1 chamber of the legislative branch of a country that has a lot of issues to deal with.