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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Am I the only one getting agitated by the word AI (Artificial Intelligence)?

Real AI does not exist yet,
atm we only have LLMs (Large Language Models),
which do not think on their own,
but pass turing tests
(fool humans into thinking that they can think).

Imo AI is just a marketing buzzword,
created by rich capitalistic a-holes,
who already invested in LLM stocks,
and now are looking for a profit.

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[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Got it. As someone who has developed computational models of complex biological systems, I’d like to know specifically what you believe the differences to be.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

It's the 'why'. A robot will only teach itself to walk because a human predefined that outcome. A human learning to walk is maybe not even intelligence - Motor functions even operate in a separate area of the brain from executive function and I'd argue the defining tasks to accomplish and weighing risks is the intelligent part. Humans do all of that for the robot.

Everything we call "AI" now should be called "EI" or "extended intelligence" because humans are defining the both the goals and the resources in play to achieve them. Intelligence requires a degree of autonomy.

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Okay, I think I understand where we disagree. There isn’t a “why” either in biology or in the types of AI I’m talking about. In a more removed sense, a CS team at MIT said “I want this robot to walk. Let’s try letting it learn by sensor feedback” whereas in the biological case we have systems that say “Everyone who can’t walk will die, so use sensor feedback.”

But going further - do you think a gazelle isn’t weighing risks while grazing? Do you think the complex behaviors of an ant colony isn’t weighing risks when deciding to migrate or to send off additional colonies? They’re indistinguishable mathematically - it’s just that one is learning evolutionarily and the other, at least theoretically, is able to learn theoretically.

Is the goal of reproductive survival not externally imposed? I can’t think of any example of something more externally imposed, in all honesty. I as a computer scientist might want to write a chatbot that can carry on a conversation, but I, as a human, also need to learn how to carry on a conversation. Can we honestly say that the latter is self-directed when all of society is dictating how and why it needs to occur?

Things like risk assessment are already well mathematically characterized. The adaptive processes we write to learn and adapt to these environmental factors are directly analogous to what’s happening in neurons and genes. I’m really just not seeing the distinction.

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