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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Am I the only one getting agitated by the word AI (Artificial Intelligence)?

Real AI does not exist yet,
atm we only have LLMs (Large Language Models),
which do not think on their own,
but pass turing tests
(fool humans into thinking that they can think).

Imo AI is just a marketing buzzword,
created by rich capitalistic a-holes,
who already invested in LLM stocks,
and now are looking for a profit.

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[-] Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago

But what do you call a robot that teaches itself how to walk

In it's current state,
I'd call it ML (Machine Learning)

A human defines the desired outcome,
and the technology "learns itself" to reach that desired outcome in a brute-force fashion (through millions of failed attempts, slightly inproving itself upon each epoch/iteration), until the desired outcome defined by the human has been met.

[-] Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 11 months ago

That definition would also apply to teaching a baby to walk.

[-] rambaroo@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

A baby isn't just learning to walk. It also makes its own decisions constantly and has emotions. An LLM is not an intelligence no matter how hard you try to argue that it is. Just because the term has been used for a long time didn't mean it's ever been used correctly.

It's actually stunning to me that people are so hyped on LLM bullshit that they're trying to argue it comes anywhere close to a sentient being.

[-] Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 10 months ago

You completely missed my point obviously. I'm trying to get you to consider what "intelligence" actually means. Is intelligence the ability to learn? Make decisions? Have feelings? Outside of humans, what else possesses your definition of intelligence? Parrots? Mice? Spiders?

I'm not comparing LLMs to human complexity, nor do I particularly give a shit about them in my daily life. I'm just trying to get you to actually examine your definition of intelligence, as you seem to use something specific that most of our society doesn't.

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

To be fair, I think we underestimate just how brute-force our intelligence developed. We as a species have been evolving since single-celled organisms, mutation by mutation over billions of years, and then as individuals our nervous systems have been collecting data from dozens of senses (including hormone receptors) 24/7 since embryo. So before we were even born, we had some surface-level intuition for the laws of physics and the control of our bodies. The robot is essentially starting from square 1. It didn't get to practice kicking Mom in the liver for 9 months - we take it for granted, but that's a transferable skill.

Granted, this is not exactly analogous to how a neural network is trained, but I don't think it's wise to assume that there's something "magic" in us like a "soul", when the difference between biological and digital neural networks could be explained by our "richer" ways of interacting with the environment (a body with senses and mobility, rather than a token/image parser) and the need for a few more years/decades of incremental improvements to the models and hardware

[-] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

So what do you call it when a newborn deer learns to walk? Is that “deer learning?”

I’d like to hear more about your idea of a “desired outcome” and how it applies to a single celled organism or a goldfish.

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