413
rule
(beehaw.org)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 21 Jul 2023
413 points (100.0% liked)
196
16286 readers
2094 users here now
Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.
Rule: You must post before you leave.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Look, Biden is unambiguously better than anything the Republicans are offering, and everyone should vote for him in 2024.
But he's failed us so many times now. He broke the railroad strike, he let the Republicans push him around on the budget when the Dems could have passed it back in December when they still had a majority, he let student loan forgiveness fall through, the Dems didn't codify abortion rights when they had the chance (they had a LOT of chances), and while it's good that Dems have actually been defending gay marriage on a national level, they did very little to protect trans rights on a federal level when they had the chance.
So yeah, vote for Biden because that's most likely to lead to the best outcome as far as voting goes. But don't buy into this electorialist lie that we have to back Democrats on everything they do, and that we shouldn't criticize them when they fuck up and flounder in the face of fascists in the Republican party. Don't buy in to the lie that the left is at fault for Republican wins because they critiqued the Democrats. There's more to political action than voting.
So, saying Biden broke up the rail strike doesn't tell the whole story. They were going to strike over sick days, Biden got them sick days. https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
Biden forced through some amount of forgiveness, despite the SCOTUS decision. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/19/biden-is-forgiving-39-billion-in-student-debt-heres-who-qualifies.html
The rest of what you said, Yeah, can't refute that. But until we get STV voting Democrats are the best option we have. Perfect is the enemy of Good.
I don't disagree that the democrats are preferable and are worth voting for in the generals. Only that criticizing them isn't the same as both-sidesing.
This is why primaries are so important. Go vote to have an actually good option in the general election.
100%. When it comes to elections, this is where leftists have seen the most success. Especially when it's on the state and local level.
I love that I have the option to vote for people on specific platforms in NY. I can show support for the Working Families Party while still voting for Democrats as the politicians can run under multiple parties so I'm not just tossing away a vote just to send a message
Oh, so the Republicans broke up the rail strike but the Democrats didn't? First I'm hearing of it.
Not to mention, I'm talking about how he failed us. If he had a way forward to stop Republicans from fucking our shit up and then folded over, that's failing us. Not to mention the shit that Democrats get up to on the state level when they have control, where they pass rampant anti-homeless and anti-worker policies themselves.
You sound like a dupe right now. Sure hope you aren't letting the SPD cuck you like the Democrats are cucking the people that buy into their narrative.
Are you being serious right now? If you are, you're about as good at spotting trumpists as transvestigators are at spotting trans people. Am I an "obvious trumpist" when I comment "based", too? Or when I was literally saying people should vote for Democrats and calling Republicans fascist (they are) just a couple comments ago? This is silly.
Maybe I should say shitlib detected cause that's what this is looking like lmao
First it's "biden would never do that, that was the republicans!!!" But now it's "based Biden breaking up cringe strikes done by the greedy railroad workers".
Again, literally told everyone that Biden is unambiguously better than anything the Republicans could offer up. But no, telling people to vote Democrat isn't enough, I also have to be deepthroating Biden's cock or I'm a trump supporter.
Man, you're never beating the shitlib allegations. This is the exact kind of thinking I was talking about in my original comment. Good luck with that.
I don't think he's commenting in bad faith, you both basically agree with each other.
Republicans did not break up the railroad strike. They were for it, but they did not have the power to do it. That was all Democrat.