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Tories facing 1997-style general election wipeout
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I hope Farage leads reform, that will reduce the Tories even more.
We actually do need big reforms in this country. I hate Farage for brexit, but credit where credits do he did something I thought was impossible. Hopefully he can help push through some much needed reforms in the UK which the party stands for but they will never see power.
I cannot put into words how much I hate first past the post, its the worst voting system. Also why are there are so many people that have land money and power because of William the first gave there ancestors land, Lords needs to end. Immigration is way too high, bringing in as many people per year as a large city and targeting house building less than half that is a crisis. This country is doing pretty badly but a few big decisions and it could be a lot better. As bad as reform are, they are right in some ways and the less power the tories have the better.
Edit: Guess people like the Tories or they don't understand FPTP voting.
Let me understand this. You hate Farage yet you have hope in him. The electoral, honours and Lords systems certainly need reform. The Tories are corrupt and self-serving whose only interest are the party and business. Brexit and Teeside.
Yes the man gets things done see brexit. You don't have to like someone to see that are able to achieve things.
So if you hate the tories why wouldn't you want reform to get more votes? As per the article they won't get any seats but if farage runs then the tories will lose even more seats.
Seems like a reason to want farage to run. Yet that's an unpopular view?
Brexit was done with lies and misinformation and you praise it like it was the masterclass of politics, I suppose it's not entirely untrue, but it isn't a happy thing for most
I didn't say it was a happy thing. I said I didn't like him for it.
Doesn't mean he isn't good at achieving things which he is. Jesus are people so one sided they just blind to anything positive unless their side did it.
Brexit was an absolute shower of shit, I never said otherwise. That in no way makes anything else I said untrue.
"Achieving things" = riling up racists
I think people don't like your suggestion/implication of Farage being the one pushing through reforms more than liking Tories.
Who else is then? Labour aren't.
The more votes Farage gets the less the Tories get. Right win people aren't going to vote for the green party so it's good that there is a right wing party 1 splitting the vote and 2 pushing for actual good things so yea as unpopular as it is I hope the tories lose seats and more people on the right want changes to be made.
Don't you remember the last GE? Farage's party stepped down in many Tory seats, and stayed in many strong labour seats.
They were splitting Labour's vote, not the Conservative vote.
You're right, but I think the idea of Farage being in charge of pushing through any sorts of ideas (even if it's reforms that are good) is making people uncomfortable, which is what could be read from your first comment.
That is not what happened during the last election and you know it.
Nope, just your comments about immigration.
It's so rarely the people in the cities who actually live and work with immigrants every day who don't want them. It's the small village people who suddenly have 1 brown person they don't know how to interact with.
We have net migration of 750,000. Do people even think about how much that is? If we need that many immigrants we are a failed country. Our education system needs to be vastly improved.
But that's not the point of this amount of immigration largely. We are only aiming to build 300,000 houses a year and yet we have a housing crisis and are taking in net, as many people as a large city each year. The reason is to keep wages low and house prices high.
Why people want that I don't know.