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Hey all!

I'd like to request recommendations (spoiler free!) for games where you need to make choices, take sides, kill or not kill someone, follow or do not follow orders, but where the consequences actually matter - and most importantly, where the choices aren't "obviously good choice vs obviously bad choice".

Give me games where I can choose to side with one kingdom or another, but there's no clear moral high ground, or where I need to decide to save someone dear to me at the cost of innocent lives. I do not want things like "save all the children and get the happy ending and make flowers grow" versus "kill everybody and everything blows up and the world gets all its water replaced by acid".

What games fit this requirement?

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[–] MechanicalJester@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Just answer our increasingly difficult questions.

Trolley problem: One track is one person, the other is 10

Next level

Okay well now the one person is your mom, and the 10 are 1 year olds you don't know

Next level

Okay the one person is your best friends mom and the 10 are young kids from your immediate or extended family

Next level

Okay the one person would cure cancer tomorrow, and the 10 are friends or family

...

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Or, y'know, go with the original version of the trolley problem, where you start with the classic formulation (do you pull the lever?), then move to a new scenario;

"You're a doctor, working in a hospital that has been cut off from outside resources by a disaster. You have five patients, one in need of a liver, one a heart, one a pair of kidneys, one a set of lungs, and one a pancreas. You have no suitable organs available, and all five patients will die without transplants, but there is a healthy young janitor working in the hospital who, by a stroke of extreme luck, is a compatible donor for all five patients. You could kill the janitor, harvest their organs, and save five people. Should you do it?"

Fascinatingly, almost everyone opts to pull the lever in the first part, but refuses to kill the janitor in the second, even though they are, from a deeply utilitarian perspective, the same choice. Unravelling why we see them as different is where things get really interesting.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

The trolley problem is easy all of these questions are easy

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 1 points 10 months ago

Level 1 - one person Level 2 - the kids Level 3 - best friend's mom Level 4 - cancer cure guy

None of it matters in the long run anyway, so might as well pick the choices that affect you directly. Toughest one in this is the best friend's mom definitely.