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Good. Gun "control" is an ineffective bandaid solution for large societal problems that politicians refuse to tackle because it'll hurt their doners pocket this quarter.
This guy gets it. Gun Control has only been passed in this country in response to minority gun ownership. They have been poorly conceived at make no sense from the get go. It is near impossible to control inexpensive technologies and banning those technologies is a waste of time. We talk about gun violence but that's the wrong conversation. We should be talking about violence and why that occurs. The gun is just a multiplier of violence not the actual problem.
Guns just as or much more dangerous were readily available by mail order in the 70's and back so why weren't these problems more profound then? For one at the end of the 70's we did away with our entire mental health system and never replaced it. People seeking mental healthcare have few options in this country even with insurance as insurers have figured out if the neglect there provider lists then they pay less overall with zero ramifications and little to no loss in sales from large employer plans (who don't prioritize the issue).
Mental Health education and health education overall is severely lacking in this country most people don't know the signs to identify a mental health problem or how to handle it even professionals did you know that males most commonly display signs of schizophrenia at 18 but women most often start to display signs at 27?
Poverty and Economic disparity though likely play the largest role. This country is quickly devolving due to rampant poverty and resources are flooding to the top with no stop in sight. I really tie both economic poverty and lack of access to reasonable education as both impact the country in relatively the same way. The major contributing factors are market monopolies, regulatory capture, over representation of corporations in our electoral system, and a broken electoral system. I won't go through all of these and there are absolutely more.
The good news is that the two things that would do the most to alleviate these things are possible. A move to ranked choice voting and a push for a single payer system for healthcare. The path may seem indirect but a ranked choice system would resolve the all or nothingness of our system and make it harder for corporations to fully corrupt our electoral process as they would need to do far more than simply push for a single side. a single payer system would eliminate insurers that have an incentive to avoid paying for mental healthcare and sever health and well-being as a reason to be a wage slave.
Pretty much exactly what I've been thinking put into words. Thank you.
Oh sure, it's ineffective in Iceland, France, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Canada, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Cyprus, Finland, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Poland, Romania, The UK, Bangladesh, Cambodia, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Mongolia, Philippines, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, Turkey, Vietnam, New Zealand, and a hundred other countries around the world.
The amount of guns per 100 people in the US is 120 and the next highest is Yemen at 49. This isn't a cultural issue, it's a gun control issue.
No other country in the world has nearly the same number of guns in its borders.
Australia did not experience a significant drop in homicides when they banned guns
What about homicides due to guns? Mass shootings?
So its the tool, not the crime that matters? Its totally fine if I stab someone, but not if I shoot them?
Notice how many of the countries you describe have more than two political parties, universal healthcare, and aren't the world's superpower.
Violence largely happens due to stress, stress comes from poor living conditions, financial constraints and cultural issues(and more). Considering more than half of Americans are paycheck to paycheck, that we have to pay hundreds for medical care and that the average income is somewhere in the 40k range it's pretty easy to see why so many people are mentally ill, violent and politically extreme.
On top of this you also have the hard to quantify issue of foreign powers attempting to influence, degrade, or propagand to the citizens of world's main power which is another issue that adds an additional layer.
You need to understand the reasons for unreasonable actions to actually prevent them. Attack the source causes and not throw out a core part of the American identity because our shit ass politicians can't be assed to think beyond the next election cycle.
If it was the guns, and not socioeconomic conditions as described in the post above, why does Mexico and 53(!!) other countries have a higher murder rate than the US?
Because they buy their guns in the US! no lie, the drugs come here and the guns go back. No question cartels have a huge interest in eliminating gun control.