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People who believe in a sky god are creepy as fuck.
Maybe so, but the war against abortion isn't based on religious texts. It was ginned up by pieces of shit who tied it to the bible artificially by painting a complex issue as a black and white case of "murder". Which is bullshit to anyone remotely understanding of reality.
It may not be directly tied to religious works. However, religion is being used to prop it up, as usual. I still agree that people can practice what they wish, though I'm beginning to feel strongly that religion is a plague and we'd be better off without it. Yet, I suppose, evil fools would just find something else to cower behind.
That's pretty close to how I feel about it too.
In religion's defense, many religions are also being used to prop up pro-choice. It just so happens 2 or 3 of the largest religions are very outspoken so the rest of them are getting ignored.
Stealing from Pew, almost all of Judaism, Universalism, and many of the major non-evangelical protestant religions are pro-choice. Even Islam is largely "limited pro-choice". If I had to guess, the majority of religions weighted by adherents are either morally pro-abortion-rights, or at least pro-choice due to lack of mandate otherwise.
...if we look back at the US Civil War, the Christian churches fell on both sides of the Slavery argument fairly consistently, basically based on what their constituents wanted to hear.
Most of religion isn't based on religious texts. The texts are just the marketing material. Once you're inside they're largely ignored.
If you insist on that, secular society is also a religion. As is regional atheism.
People don't hate abortion because they're afraid of God. They hate abortion because their parents and teachers taught them to. Yes, some religions help propogate societal behaviors, but they are not solely, or even primarily responsible for them.
Honestly, just look at the way Catholic Priests in conservative areas have been largely rejecting Rome on anything that isn't radically conservative despite claiming to inheret their morals from Rome. Or more starkly, just look at the undying history of sedevacantism.
Well I don't know about "most" but you've got a point
Tell that to the Catholics
They're wrong though. They pulled that shit out of their ass.
I mean, with asterisks? The Catholics only get away with that because they reject Sola Scriptura, and sometimes treat some of the words of their Church Fathers as "the next best thing". Even then, they've gone back and forth on abortion (and largely treated it as a minor issue) until only the last few centuries.
...but along those lines, I've never really seen a Catholic argument against abortion try to lean too heavily on Biblical sources. Because they know they'd lose.
1000 flies eat shit. 1000 flies can't be wrong.
That's their mentality.
It's more than that. You know all those stories of things God did in the Old Testament? The plagues and the disasters and famines and droughts? To them, those aren't just stories, that's shit that actually happened. That's shit that they think should happen to people they think are evil. They believe that God has an active and vibrant presence on His Creation, and that He would never allow evil to prosper in it. To this date, no plagues of boils or locusts has descended upon them. None of their leaders have been smote by bolts of lightning from the sky. None of their megachurches have been razed to the ground by pillars of flame. None of their firstborns have mysteriously died in the night. In the lack of all this divine punishment, what other conclusion can they draw but "We must be doing something right!"? I mean how many times have we heard one of them say something like, "If what I'm doing is evil, then may God strike me dead!"? And then, the smiting doesn't happen. What else could they think?
A lot of those bad thing have happened to them, but they just handwave that away with "god works in mysterious ways!" or "it's a test!"
That's fair. I feel like at this point God himself could literally say "I'm making all that shit happen because you're being massive dicks! Cut it out!" And they'd flat out ignore it. If I were God, I'd straight up smite anyone who said "If what I'm doing is wrong, then may God smite me where I stand!" And my response would be, "Bet."
I have seen Chritians stay Christian through a child dying of cancer and use those exact lines. How you could think that an omniscient/all powerful being, that let's babies die from cancer, is good and benevolent is beyond me.
Nothing about the anti-choice movement is religious; it's tribalism. Same way as gun rights have nothing to do with the sky god either.
If we're being honest, the only strictly biblical argument on the topic of abortion leans heavily pro-choice and sometimes even pro-abortion-as-punishment. Throughout most of history most Christian branches have been neutral or passively negative on abortion, usually considering it a minor sin that it wasn't their job to prosecute (yes, occasionally either banning or encouraging it as well). The idea that life begins with conception is distinctly non-traditional (Judaism or firstgen Christianity) and was picked up from the Pythagorians.
It's important to differentiate cultural mores from religion. Organized Religion can make you convince yourself something is wrong when you are otherwise strongly predisposed to find it right (or vice versa). Cultural mores is more like "omg, you can't see my ankles how dare you!". They're like behavioral "dialects", much like happens in language. Technically, when I say something is wicked pissah, I "inhereted" that from the Mainers despite my not being from Maine. That doesn't mean it came from my religious ties with them. My parents and peers taught it to me. Same as all my fucked up knee-jerk morals I grew up with.
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Read a comment yesterday that the original religion came from us hearing our own thoughts (simplified). So they're not just creepy AF. They're the ultimate Darwinistic embodiment of batshit
They've done studies on this using an FMRI. They ask people what God thinks about things and the part of the brain that lights up is the same as when they're asked what they think themselves. A different area lights up when they're asked about what other people think.
Validating that these y'all qaeda barbarians are still there lol