As for your scenario, all emergency services will instruct you to do CPR untill trained personal arives, so even if you think a person is dead, you should still do it untill you hear from a licensed person telling you to stop after they made the determination.

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

So European arms manufacturing is dead?

Yeah, and so is America's

America, EU and the rest of the collective west are being outproduced by Russia, Iran and the DPRK

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I get that we have run very low on munitions, but my point is that we still have factories that are in fact producing munitions, it is not like Bofors and similar companies have stopped existing, they are still producing munitions.

This means that they are still alive.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Europe has proven itself incapable of even fulfilling the commitment to produce a million shells only ending up scraping 30% of that while prices jumped from 2k to 8k:

In October, NATO’s senior military officer, Adm. Rob Bauer, said that the price for one 155mm shell had risen from 2,000 euros ($2,171) at the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion to 8,000 euros ($8,489.60).

European industrial costs have now skyrocketed in absence of cheap pipeline gas, and the companies have zero interest eating the cost of building out a military industrial complex given that the war is very obviously lost. This is simply not profitable to do, and no sane capitalist would do this.

The reason Russia is able to ramp up its military industry is because it's state owned. Once again we see that the west ended up getting high on its own supply about the efficiency of free markets.

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How long before Russia, Iran and DPRK topple western hegemony with their massive guns? For real though, I think this statement is a little bullshit if you choose to exclude China from the equation.

[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There is no proof China has been supplying Russia with war material any more than they've been doing to Ukraine

[–] Urist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

True and not something I implied. I just do not think Russia, Iran and DPRK are anything near outscaling western weapons production and research without China. Maybe for some subset of the industry, but not as a whole.

[–] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago

The UK already stated they don't have any munitions to send. The US is literally taking munitions back from allies because it doesn't have enough to send.

As for you taking the metaphor so specifically, let's hope the negotiators tell the EU that it's over and establish a ceasefire.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

To continue from your point, do CPR until you become exhausted. CPR is very physically demanding you should be cracking ribs. For anyone interested the order of operations is, call 911, determine if you need to do CPR, call for bystanders to take over chest comprehensions when you get exhausted if possible, then begin CPR for as long as you can maintain it. The most important thing is to call 911, chest comprehensions don't bring people back from the dead, it gives the patient time for the paramedics to arrive.