1734
Basic Constitutional Law
(lemmy.world)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 23 Dec 2023
1734 points (97.6% liked)
Political Memes
5579 readers
967 users here now
Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
The ruling is heavy on opinion and low on facts.
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial
"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
Doesn't sound inciting.
Or to put it a different way. Thid sets a very low bar for future removal of candidates from the ballot.
“We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women,”
“We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”
Some of Trump’s fiercest allies also made incendiary statements at the rally. “Let’s have trial by combat,” said Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani, warming up the crowd for Trump.
“.@senatemajldr and Republican Senators have to get tougher, or you won’t have a Republican Party anymore. We won the Presidential Election, by a lot. FIGHT FOR IT. Don’t let them take it away!” he tweeted Dec. 18. Dec. 12: “WE HAVE JUST BEGUN TO FIGHT!!!” Trump said in another tweet. Dec. 19: Trump tweeted his praise for a report by his adviser Peter Navarro alleging election fraud: “A great report by Peter. Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”
Dec. 26: Trump tweeted: “The ‘Justice’ Department and the FBI have done nothing about the 2020 Presidential Election Voter Fraud, the biggest SCAM in our nation’s history, despite overwhelming evidence. They should be ashamed. History will remember. Never give up. See everyone in D.C. on January 6th.”
Dec. 27: “See you in Washington, DC, on January 6th. Don’t miss it. Information to follow!” Trump tweeted. Jan. 1: “The BIG Protest Rally in Washington, D.C., will take place at 11.00 A.M. on January 6th. Locational details to follow. StopTheSteal!” Trump tweeted. Jan. 4: At a rally in Georgia the day before the Senate runoffs, Trump repeated his grievances about his own election. He spoke about a continued fight, both for himself and the Senate.
“If the liberal Democrats take the Senate and the White House — and they’re not taking this White House — we’re going to fight like hell, I’ll tell you right now,” Trump said.
“We’re going to take it back,” Trump said.
“Our country has had enough,” Trump told his supporters. “We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. To use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.”
The crowd later chanted: “Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!” Trump thanked them.
Trump praised the crowd for traveling from across the nation and for “the extraordinary love.”
“We’re gathered together in the heart of our nation’s capital for one very, very basic and simple reason: to save our democracy,” Trump said.
Source: https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/a-timeline-of-what-donald-trump-said-before-the-capitol-riot/
Now do you want to discuss what was done to stop reinforcements from arriving to a fight to stop the stealing of democracy to ensure peace and saftey of the senators?
Fight like hell is not an off limit phrase.
I hear Trump disagreeing with the result, stupid and incorrect, but not insurrection.
Not sure why reinforcements are relevant given that tge Trump supporting police let the protestors into the Capitol building.
Reinforcements mattered because either you stop them from going in (smashing windows, breaking through barriers etc) or you back down because you are far out numbered and surrendering is your best option. There was an active session going on. Everyone knew what was going on in that building. It isn't a protest to break in, that is an insurgency at best, and an organized revolt at worst.
I don't know why I am bothering. You are choosing to ignore and downplay their actions.
Not until he realized they didn't accomplish their mission did he start making more comments about leaving or being peaceful.
The Trump quote
"marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
Was made before the riot.
I'm not downplaying the actions, although most (not all) videos of people in the building could not be described as storming. E.g. Doors were opened from inside.
But the main point I'm saying that pinning insurrection on Trump specifically is not easy.
Taking the easy route now lowers the bar for claims of insurrection in the future, encouraging fascism.