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“We don’t believe those rights should be subjected to majority vote.”

Conservatives are testing new tactics to keep abortion off the ballot following a series of high-profile defeats.

In Arizona, Florida, Nevada and other states, several anti-abortion groups are buying TV and digital ads, knocking on doors and holding events to persuade people against signing petitions to put the issue before voters in November.

Republicans are also appealing to state courts to keep referendums off the ballot, while GOP lawmakers in states including Missouri and Oklahoma are pushing to raise the threshold for an amendment to pass or to make it to the ballot in the first place.

The emerging strategy aims to prevent abortion rights groups from notching their third, and largest, set of ballot measure victories since Roe v. Wade was overturned. And while conservatives celebrated the fall of Roe for returning the question of abortion rights to the people, these efforts are seen as an implicit admission that anti-abortion groups don’t believe they can win at the ballot box — even in red states — and that the best way to keep restrictions on the procedure is to keep voters from weighing in directly.

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[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

For your average voter caught in the grift then yes... But when you look at the people running the show it's more of a mixed bag. The grift changes. They talk about things in big purposefully narrow and oversimplified versions of leftist rhetoric about constitutional freedoms and equalities which spread power horizontally but their aim is to make it go vertical, create hierarchy. Abortion debate on it's face is an emotional issue that people can get behind because "think of the litte unborn babies! Don't they need freedoms?!" but you aren't supposed to notice that reinforcing the traditional hierarchy of family by removing the choices of women makes it easier to place the entire category in a place where their labor, time effort and freedom of movement and self determination is taken by force. It makes women's entire existence precarious because they might lose their careers and ability to move freely for something they have no reasonable control over. Any woman who becomes romantically entangled with a man, regardless of the quality of that relationship of that becomes at risk because they KNOW birth control even under perfect use conditions is not perfect and part of keeping most long term heterosexual relationships alive and fulfilling means putting a woman in some manner of danger of risking the life she wants to lead a couple of times a week... And as for anything outside of that arrangement they want that to burn too.

At the top they aren't stupid. They just don't want a democracy they want hierarchy and they are smart enough to trick people into believing that their world view is still democratic.

[–] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

10/10 read. Very well said 👏

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Like I said in my earlier comment, conservatives tend to be either stupid and/or sociopaths. Generally it seems that the "rank and file" are the stupid ones, while the manipulative sociopaths are the ones running the show.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Looking at the American Conservative pool there's some muddying of the water. I imagine if you keep slamming garbage into the system eventually the pool you draw your enthusiastic support from will feed back into itself. Sorting your idiots from your proper authoritarian scum though isn't particularly worthwhile... As long as whatever nonsense you throw into the program is effective in obtaining the objectives you want it doesn't matter who is a true believer of the grift versus one who understands the point. But I think it's a mistake to call them idiots. That tends to make them seem less threatening and if you engage with their rhetoric with the aim of exposing idiocy and hypocrisy you will usually lose the ear of those who are being duped. You have to treat those who are caught in the grift respectfully like intelligent humans who have the capacity to make up their own minds or else they shut down and the programming takes over.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 months ago

Calling them idiots is statistically accurate, and you can find a bunch of studies to that effect in the comment I linked to.

Being stupid doesn't make them less threatening, though, and I'd be inclined to argue it makes them even more dangerous; a stupid person is much more liable to make, well, stupid choices, and choices that hurt not only others but even themselves