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[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago (10 children)

ITT: People thinking they are geniuses for making comments like "hurr I won't buy basic necessities then!!!!"

People are buying titloads of luxury goods wether they can afford it or not, and you all know it. You also know that hiking the interest rates is done to stop people from having purchasing power and thus quelling inflation.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

ITT: one person mad at the poors for living in a world they do not control, instead of blaming the mode of production that creates everything in society and the few people who have ownership over it

Go fuck yourself

[–] TrudeauCastroson@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

Paul Krugman repeatedly says that inflation is fine other than food and housing.

People who couldn't afford it always bought luxury goods. What does that have to do with food or housing inflation? People are spending less on Christmas gifts this year, your assertion has nothing to do with anything.

No matter your understanding on inflation, the food inflation is fucked. Whether that's under-production, rent-seeking at various levels of food production, etc.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

People are buying titloads of luxury goods wether they can afford it or not, and you all know it.

Most households spend the majority of their income money on rent, utilities, and food. You neoliberal worm. And the price of necessities is going up right alongside the price of luxury goods.

Also, the reason the bourgeoisie produce luxury goods and weapons is because if they only produced necessities, the price of necessities would fall from an oversupply, and everyone would get the stuff they need for relatively cheap. Can't have that! Need an entire sector of the economy dedicated to producing overpriced garbage and killing machines. Oh, but the problem never starts at production. It's always blamed on consumers being stupid. Because planning production is impossible and communist and simply letting the invisible hand of the market chaotically decide that people should die is the best system that could ever exist.

You also know that hiking the interest rates is done to stop people from having purchasing power and thus quelling inflation.

holden-bloodfeast yes, yes, the dirty proletarians need to stop having purchasing power with the money they work for. I, senator Holden Bloodfeast, who got a golden parachute severance package of $100 million dollars from an oil company when I moved from the private sector to the public sector, and have always made my money from insider trading of speculative financial assets rather than labor, agree with you!

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also, the reason the bourgeoisie produce luxury goods and weapons is because if they only produced necessities, the price of necessities would fall from an oversupply, and everyone would get the stuff they need for relatively cheap. Can't have that! Need an entire sector of the economy dedicated to producing overpriced garbage and killing machines. Oh, but the problem never starts at production. It's always blamed on consumers being stupid.

"If just everything was different it wouldn't have to be like this"

You're just saying nothing and for some reason defending the proles that think the immigrant is the problem and vote further right than your traditional conservative because they front some madman saying the immigrant bad.

Even Lenin and Trotsky said the proles were retarded.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"If just everything was different it wouldn't have to be like this"

No that's what you were doing when you were whining about the dirty proles buying too many luxury goods (when they spend most of their income on necessities). The conspicuous consumption of luxury goods is mostly done by petit-bourgeoisie and bourgeoisie living in the imperial core. It's Kylie Jenner burning through 55,000 gallons of Jet Fuel on 2 minute flights, not the janitor.

You're just saying nothing

You literally have no response. I actually quoted your points and deconstructed them. You're dismissing mine because you are the one who in fact has nothing to say.

and for some reason defending the proles that think the immigrant is the problem and vote further right than your traditional conservative because they front some madman saying the immigrant bad.

Reactionary proletarians exist because of false consciousness and conservative indoctrination emanating from capitalist control over the media. You want me to blame the brainwashed and not the brainwashers. You want me to be a classist liberal seething about the voting habits of unwashed "hicks" and not looking at the actual material conditions of the working class.

Also immigrants are proletarians too. Ethnic minorities and LGBTQIA are proletarians too. Proletarian is not a term reserved for anti-immigrant white supremacists, who skew petit-bourgeois anyway. I refuse to envision millions of nurses, janitors, teachers, factory workers, farm workers, cashiers, waiters, cooks, etc. as a bunch of MAGA goons seething about nonwhites coming into their country. That's not what the majority of the proletariat is. You're describing the political ideology of the white supremacist and settler colonist and pretending that is what proletarians are. Your vision is limited not only by living in the imperial core (first world) but also by a singular obsession with politics as it exists in Amerikkka and nowhere else.

Also immigrants are both used and scapegoated by the ruling class. The imperial core through economic and military policy upends the quality of life in developing nations, incentivizing the people living there to move to the imperial core where wages are higher. Why are wages higher in the imperial core? Imperialism. What happens when the labor market of the imperial core is flooded with immigrants. Wages drop. This means capitalists in the imperial core can get away with paying workers less. Then they blast us with propaganda to blame the immigrant instead of them. so they create the root cause for immigration in the first place, and then once the immigrants show up they use them as political scapegoats and sources of cheap labor. They blast us 24/7 with that kind of propaganda, and some people fall for it. But not the majority of the working class, who you clearly look down on, and which includes the immigrants themselves.

Even Lenin and Trotsky said the proles were removed.

  1. source?

  2. if they said anything close to what you are saying, I'm sure it's in a massively different context than you're implying. they were probably describing the ignorance of the proletariat the results from them BEING DELIBERATELY DEPRIVED OF EDUCATION BY THE RULING CLASS.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

buying a new handbag, I see. This is evidence that necessities are reasonably priced by benevolent companies, and you’re simply too poor and dumb

[–] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You just have a ridiculous conception of inflation. Watch this video.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Luxury goods aren't a major factor within the basket of goods that make up the consumer price index, and those that are may be weighted differently to show their discretionary nature.

The majority is housing, food and transport. Where I live that's 22, 17 and 11 per cent respectively (transport equal third with entertainment).

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How does that stop corporations from raising their prices and then never lowering them because they want more money. Acting like "Money line must keep going up into infinity or else you're a failed enterprise" isn't one of the main drivers.

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

Counterpoint: here's a picture of a giant gaping asshole.

NSFL

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’m not even gonna reply with any kind of thoughtful answer because frankly you don’t deserve it. I just hate seeing comments like this out in public displaying ignorance for everyone to see while thinking your ideas are worth the same as any person on here who’s replied to you in a concise manner in good faith. It’s like shut the hell up, it’s okay to not know things, no one is going to fault you for it, just sit back and learn something instead for once. But no, you really had to say some dumbass shit for no reason other than to shit on people you don’t even know because of something you don’t actually understand. Aren’t you fucking embarrassed? Who would be proud of writing something like that? Just be quiet it’s not hard.

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The best you've done is pretending that calling people who don't worship your opinion 'neoliberal monarchists' or equally silly name tags is knowledgeable.

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hey I didn’t call you that, I only called you dumb and an embarrassment. Get it right sweaty.

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This time you didn't need a monograph to do it, bravo. So what do you reckon I could learn here? Winning kindergarten rap battles, but with political compass memes as insults?