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submitted 11 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Pope Francis has decided to punish one of his highest-ranking critics, Cardinal Raymond Burke, by revoking his right to a subsidized Vatican apartment and salary in the second such radical action against a conservative American prelate this month, according to two people briefed on the measures.

Francis told a meeting of the heads of Vatican offices last week that he was moving against Burke because he was a source of “disunity” in the church, said one of the participants at the Nov. 20 meeting. The participant spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to reveal the contents of the encounter.

Francis said he was removing Burke’s privileges of having a subsidized Vatican apartment and salary as a retired cardinal because he was using the privileges against the church, said another person who was subsequently briefed on the pope’s measures. That person also spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to reveal the details.

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[-] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago

Imagine being an American so privileged and revered you get paid to live in Italy in one of the most historically iconic places on Earth...

... and you throw it all away so you can hate on gay people and vaccines. Wtf.

[-] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

The best part is Catholics believe the pope is chosen by god. This guy thinks god is wrong. So basically this guy is so far up his own arse that even gay people would frown upon him

[-] Pirasp@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

Nah, the pope is chosen by people, that supposedly have a very good connection to god (Cardinals). He is supposedly gods mouthpiece on earth tho, so your point still stands.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

The Pope is considered infallible correct? So American priests think the Pope is wrong. Some Henry the eighth shit right there.

[-] ThisIsNotHim@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 months ago

IIRC, the Pope is only considered infallible when they say they are. Otherwise they're just speaking as the highest ranking member. So most of the time what they say is not treated by members of the clergy as the literal word of god.

Maybe other Catholics are more in the know, but this isn't a distinction I was aware of when I was a practicing Catholic. That might be because the Pope really didn't come up much at all. I'm sure he influenced policy, but his words seemed to come up in the news, and not really much outside that.

[-] Volkditty@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

It's more nuanced than that, but generally speaking papal infallibility today only extends to very limited circumstances where the Pope puts on his special papal infallibility hat and says, "I hereby decree..." some specific topic of church law.

[-] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I thought they believed that the pope was chosen by god through the cardinals, who have a very good connection to god? Is this not the explicit belief? I know it’s very similar and doesn’t really matter either way but there is some nuance there and I would like to know the answer for sure

[-] Pirasp@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It certainly is what the church's elite wanted medieval people to believe. My experience says people don't believe it anymore tho.

That experience is based on my living in Germany tho, so you might get completely different answers from people in southeast Asia or the Americas.

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