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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Democrats do not believe in a natural social hierarchy.

sure they do: look at how they endorse the capitalist system of haves-and-have-nots.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is a developed social hierarchy, not a natural one. An example of a natural social hierarchy is the belief that whites are naturally a superior race of that women are inherently subordinate to men.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i don't think you know anything about theories of hierarchy or even the natural world. what you've written here is incoherent.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Let me simplify. You used the example of Democrats believing in haves and have nots. Observing that some people are more wealthy than others is reality, not belief in a hierarchy. Believing that rich people are rich because they are innately better and poor people are poor because they are innately worse is a belief in a natural social hierarchy.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

they don't simply observe the disparity, they actively enforce it.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's not the same thing as believe by it is an inmate quality.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

regardless of belief, enforcing the unjust hierarchy is what is wrong

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That is certainly an argument you can make, but it does not qualify for the definition of fascism.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it does because social stratification is an aspect of fascism

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Close but not quite. Every human society has social stratification, even if it's only things like the jocks and nerds in high school. That makes it fascistic is the belief that those strata are innate and not social constructs. That is, the poor are inferior while the rich are superior, or whites are superior while blacks are inferior.

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you're making this up. all that is necessary is enforcement of the stratification to meet this bar.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay. So how do Democrats enforce stratification in a way that is not present in every other governmental system?

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

communism is a classless, moneyless society.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There will still be social stratification. Some people will be admired because of their deeds and others reviled because of their crimes. That's still stratification

[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

enforcing the stratification is one of the aspects of fascism we've been discussing.