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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 92 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Given the context, this seems more evil than is probably intended.

There are laws about collection and storage of rainwater all over the world unrelated to genocide. Water falling from the sky is the source of aquifers, lakes, and rivers that are important for everyone.

[-] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago

The problem here is that the Palestine people aren’t being given control of their water.

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 11 months ago

Yeah there are good reasons to limit or prevent rainwater collection in order to preserve necessary river systems or agricultural areas etc.

However I highly highly doubt anything good faith is going on here.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 23 points 11 months ago

The context is very straightfoward. It is an occupied territory. The occupier claims ownership of natural ressources in the occupied territory. This is typical imperialist behaviour and illegal under international law.

[-] Saprophyte@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

https://youtu.be/QZkSRlIs9o0?si=l7jYk8g92oIS4t3b

The evil part is having laws like this and then filling in their water sources with concrete.

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[-] BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

To add what others said (like Israel making up rules for Palestine), the people of Palestine are being attacked and their infrastructure targeted. It is pretty evil to destroy the water supply and then say: "but you can't get it elsewhere :)".
I don't think this is necessarily the case here, but laws like this are often an attempt to offer the appearance of legitimacy to acts of violence (i.e. "yes we imprisoned them but they broke the law!").

[-] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 11 months ago

and who better to claim ownership over the rain falling on palastinian soil than the israeli government

i dont think you can justify this stuff, at best make it sound slightly less evil

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 10 points 11 months ago

Water for agricultural and domnestic use usually is fed back to the water cycle, though.

Watering my veggies is distinct from e.g. building a dam, or something.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

You could, though, for example, set up a large collection system for water that would normally be fed into a tributary that other farmers are using downstream for irrigation. A company with enough resources to collect and bottle rainwater for profit across a large area that would otherwise feed into aquifers could bleed a small farming community dry.

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 5 points 11 months ago

I wouldn't call that "domnestic or agricultural" use anymore.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Right, it's just that not all rainwater collection is inherently domestic or agricultural, and that's why some places (ostensibly, at least) have laws restricting it, with the goal being to keep it feeding into the water cycle and not shipping it elsewhere.

[-] Prunebutt@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago

Read the highlighted text in the post again, please.

[-] Stovetop@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I didn't miss that part, I'm just saying that usually that's not why laws like this are created. The stated intent of this one is likely something about protecting fragile aquifers and the real intent is gradual genocide.

[-] dukatos@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

AFAIK, there is no such laws in Europe. I know for parts of USA and Israel. Correct me if I am wrong.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

No such laws in Russia. And it seems no such laws in Poland. No for Ukraine, no for Belarus, Kazahstan even has some bonuses if you collect rainwater, Latviya has some bonuses too.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

You are definitely wrong. I work in municipal development and a developer retaining water on site beyond what is necessary to offset their increased impervious cover is something that's highly discouraged and restricted.

Water need to go to the rivers and aquifers, and damming it up for private use is a real problem.

[-] uis@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

There are laws about collection and storage of rainwater all over the world unrelated to genocide.

I never seen them before. Too much rainwater is a problem, but not collecting it.

[-] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago

It's illegal for me to have rain barrels off my gutters. I wanted them to use the water for my garden. I'm not in any area with existing water shortage or drought issues either.

[-] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

It can be actually. People upstream of water sources - often wealthy people with land but sometimes a collective of local farmers - build dams or retaining ponds to save the water for themselves and on a significant scale can limit the amount of water that goes downstream.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Oh I think it’s meant to be just as evil as it looks.

[-] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 6 points 11 months ago

It makes more sense to limit the amount of water collected than to outright banning it tho.

[-] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

What do you mean by "makes more sense"?

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Sometimes.

I work in municipal development and how rainwater is handled is a huge part of my job. It usually comes down to whatever the developer wants is bad.

They either want to collect all water and essentially deny it to everyone else so they can sell it, or they want to pave over everything and refuse to detain stormwater and flood the neighbors.

It's not at all the same thing as Palestinians wanting water for food and crops, but a lot of the time these laws start out as something sensible before being used as a weapon.

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