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Maybe they should have accepted that fuel that israel delivered them.
All 200 liters they left outside in an active warzone? Yep, that would be super helpful. Might even keep the generators going for 10 more minutes.
It was 300 L, they probably weren't given more because Hamas is known to siphon fuel from hospitals. I suspect they could have negotiated for more deliveries of fuel. Clearly Hamas would rather parade dead Palestinian babies before the media.
So how do power dynamics work for you? Do you think the little guy's voice is always heard in this just world? Do you think that when you are vulnerable the powerful will step in to help? Because right now, the Palestinians have a double dicking of IDF supported by the US. Do you think the Palestinians or even Hamas has any leverage whatsoever? Because by the way its going, I don't think they have shit.
You're jumping in every post defending Israel. But why? We are standing on the other side of the world, handing people our bombs to blow up other people we don't know. I don't know about you, but that means I don't really have a dog in this race except for my tax dollars and morality.
Usually, the institution with the money and bigger military has the power to capitulate. Because they're less vulnerable and more able to take risks. If you think the small guerrilla force has the power here, you should probably review the last 80 years in the middle east AND watch Star Wars for good measure. Theres a reason the rebels didn't negotiate, and its relatively similar here ironically enough.
I think there's a lot more to this conflict than little guy/big guy. Sometimes the underdog isn't the hero. Sometimes one must acknowledge hard realities. I think Palestinians had all the leverage at one point but they squandered it by launching one failed war after another. Unfortunately many people just see what appears to be a superpower punching down asymmetrically and react to that without greater historical context.
A few reasons:
1) While they certainly have their faults, I believe Israel is the more sympathetic party. Why?:
2) The Realpolitik.
3) Balance.
Well at least I understand where you are coming from now. I will say your arguments about the Palestinian's choices are a little weak, as we can see from your sources Hamas barely won by a small margin. But I have some insight now on why people are siding with Israel. Cause you're right. I mostly see a strong nation backed by a world power bombing a miniscule nation. I can't say I agree with all of your points, as I think we're looking at 50+ years of an eye for an eye. Also, you claim instigation on the side of the Palestinians, when Israel was literally made from Palestinian land that the British government was in administration of. I fail to see how they instigated that. But it just further proves the situation is a grey area where the only "good sides" are the civilians crushed in conflict. I still believe the more powerful nations have the authority to call for a ceasefire, but thank you for sharing your perspective.
I'm glad that I could provide some understanding, I've been learning a lot myself. It was an interesting exercise to sum up the basis for my position in one post since there's a lot going on in this conflict, (I hit the character count limit.)
Hamas and Fatah, a group with its own history of terrorism, combined got 86% of the vote. This combined with the survey linked above paint a clear picture of overwhelming approval of intifada.
They started off legally buying the land, Most of the early massacres under mandatory Palestine were instigated by Palestinian Arabs. Arab nationalism and xenophobia got the cycle of violence going in earnest, leading to militancy and reprisals and riots, causing the British to conclude that a one-state solution was not viable. Had they not, Israel and Palestine might have been one, a pluralistic state.
The British left, kicking the problem to the UN. Israel declared themselves a nation with the borders the UN created for them, then they immediately had war declared on them by Arab nations all around them on behalf of the Palestinians, who did not like the borders. Israel won against incredible odds, then annexed the lands of those who left. Descendants of Arab Palestinians who stayed are now Israeli citizens, ~20% of the population there.
I have a hard time seeing immigrating somewhere and legally buying the land as cause for violence or as an instigating cause for this long, violent conflict, nor can I fault Israel for annexing the lands of a those who declared war on them and lost.
Indeed. Sadly, in war, civilians usually suffer. At some point both sides are going to have to decide they like peace more than their ideal political goals.
jewishvirtuallibrary is where I turn to when I want impartial facts about israel and its surroundings. legit
Ooh boy, a whole 300 liters, or approximately a single 80 gallon drum. What an impressive act of charity from the country actively bombing that same hospital.