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New York may take Donald Trump off ballot
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I don’t know that there is a best case for “everybody” at this point.
If Trump is blocked from running we will be hearing from his cult for the rest of time - and they will turn around and try to do this to others as payback (like they are doing with impeachment).
If Trump dies of a heart attack he becomes a martyr.
I think the best case is that he looses the primary. This might keep the Rs together as a party (sigh) but at least it will be their choice and maybe we can all move forward from there.
If Trump looses on the general we have another round of sore losers whining and trying to destroy democracy some more. Regardless of how that fight goes every day of it diminishes the country and boost in intensity would be bad.
If he wins the general election the country is SO very fucked — welcome to your new authoritarian apartheid anti-freedom etc state. At least that is their stated goal and it’s gonna be a horrible country damaging battle.
All of this is Rs and Trumps (MAGAs) fault. And they’re continuing to take the initiatives. I don’t have a broad strategy in mind so I’m ok with fighting them at each of these levels.
Yes, I think this is the best case scenario. The 14th Amendment is actually upheld. One of the other GOP candidates get to win the primary. This is their best outcome. The MAGA public gets to continue to whine and complain, which is clearly what they want more than anything. The Democrats get to win the election over the demoralized MAGA crowd. And everybody, whether MAGA or sane, gets to benefit from having competent politicians running the federal government.
Yes, it is almost the same as my best case. The big difference to me, and I think this is important, is that the US Constitution is actually followed in my best case scenario.
A lot of liberals think the best case scenario is for Trump to lose in the general election. This seems like the third best outcome to me.
I agree with you that we absolutely don't want Trump to die. I think that would be a worst case scenario. I actually think that the best overall scenario (not just talking about the election now) is if the Dems keep the WH and Senate, and take over the House, however that happens, and that Trump lives quite a long time. Because Trump has been amazing at reducing the number of young people who become Republican. The longer he's alive, but out of power, the weaker the GOP becomes, long term.
It doesn't matter what happens we will be hearing from them for the rest of time.
No shit. Idk how op can even pretend it's a factor.
They can't do anything except vote. Get over them.
I think him dying from a heart attack will not make him a martyr. He eats like shit and is in poor shape. Not everyone would believe it, but not so many that would be a problem. Like the dude is in the age bracket where it could happen and not be too surprising.
I think you underestimate his how many would believe. I don’t think MAGA types care about facts or health related statistics — all of which are signs of the liberal elite. Given the chance I think they’d make a martyr out of him just for spite.
Oh I don't underestimate them. However I don't think they will convince their children. Thus martyrism would be not possible for me.