1170
Wisconsin judge sides with 11-year-old trans girl over her right to use school toilets
(www.thepinknews.com)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 14 Jul 2023
1170 points (94.8% liked)
politics
19159 readers
4521 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
When I'm using the restroom, the last thing I care about is which genitals the person in the other stall has. Why would this be a concern?
Honest question, if this is the take why do transgender people need to use the opposite sex bathroom? Why does it matter?
I'm not transgender, so you probably should ask them.
What I do know is that this is a major issue for them, to the point where some of them develop bladder issues from avoiding the restroom out of fear of being bullied. When people tell me that something is causing them to suffer, I tend to believe them, unless there's some compelling evidence otherwise.
When I was in college, I knew a transman. One day, I walked into the men's restroom as he was walking out, and one of the other men in the restroom turned to his friend and said, "What's she doing in here?" (Meaning the transman.) Now imagine if you had to deal with the possibility of being bullied that way (or worse!) every time you wanted to use the restroom.
Preface: am not trans, but have thought about and read many things from transppl about everything going on in their heads bc its still sth i struggle with
This will also vary based on the individual, and there's probably at least one transperson out there that doesn't care. But for those that do, I'd think it comes down to it being one more aspect where they're put into a box they really don't feel like they belong in. Something that on its own would likely not be a big deal, but if you're already trying to 1) get away from everything your birth sex has confined you to and 2) try to feel as close to your actual gender as possible in every day life, it can make a difference.
Really I'm just confused why bathrooms are gender seperated in the first place though, we have stalls for a reason?
Some girls have a problem with it. Should we ignore their concerns? I wish everyone had no issues at all like you. If that was the case we could just build single coed bathrooms. Possibly that is what we should do from an early age. Get rid of the male/female bathroom entirely so that it is normal to all use the same bathroom and gender identity would no longer matter.
Yes. The concerns of transphobes (and other bigots) should be ignored.
So if you oppose your automatically a phobe. Got it.
Do you understand the definition of the word? If you have an aversion to sharing a space with trans people, then you're a transphobe.
Gotcha so throw out any concerns females may have....got it.
How are things on Ferenginar this time of year?
I have no idea I'm stuck on this ship.
I can't imagine that most women would feel more comfortable having a big bearded man in the bathroom who was born female than they would a prototypically feminine woman that was born male.
I suspect most people that feel this way are unaware of how well most trans people pass.
Why is it that every time I hear this conversation people on your side are only talking about MtF people and acting like FtM isn't common? I suspect it's because the existence of FtM people nullifies your argument and you know it.
I say this as a cis man, so I'm not claiming to speak for either group. Just applying basic logic and making a guess about the kind of people that would feel threatened.
Edit: I know I'm coming off aggressive, I truly believe everything I'm saying to my core, and don't, on any level, understand why everyone doesn't. If you actually have a counter to this argument, I would be curious to hear it.
If you oppose the rights of trans people to use the bathroom, then you are transphobic.
I don't think they're in opposition to the rights of trans people to use the bathroom. Way to shift the argument. congrats.
read the post title again. you're on lemmy, you have no excuse to lose context like you were a bigoted version of ai dungeon.
I followed the context of the conversation accurately. Have you?
I think not...
the entire context of the conversation has been about bathrooms. your reading comprehension is either terrible and you're lashing out, or you're lying. take your pick.
You think I didn't follow that this conversation is about bathrooms?
Some people have a problem with using the same bathroom a black person uses. Should we care?
Yes, we should ignore them. Just like we ignore homophobes that have a problem sharing with gays, or racists that have a problem sharing with back people.