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[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 10 months ago

You're not going to get unanimous approval for anything when your group size is several thousand people

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago

Maybe the groups should be smaller then

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago

Also, smaller groups mean more representatives, which means unanimity/consensus as you say would also be unlikely at the national level.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social -3 points 10 months ago

I don't believe in nations, either, so that's not a problem for me

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

Sorry to inform you of this, but nations exist whether you want to believe in them or not.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social -2 points 10 months ago

Just like God, right? God exists regardless of whether I believe in Him?

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago

The difference is, there is evidence for nations existence while there is none for any floating man in the sky who judges you when you die.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social -3 points 10 months ago

What evidence? There’s no borders on the earth. All of the evidence for nations is the same as evidence for god: stuff people made.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

And? The stuff people made provides no evidence for God. Only that they revere a being. The systems, power structures and diplomatic missions that people have created point to real, tangible evidence of nations that exist, have motives and can enact meaningful change in the world. God has none of that.

Are tables and chairs any less real simply because people created them?

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago

Don’t religions have power structures and diplomatic missions?

Tables and chairs actually exist in the physical world. They’re objectively real. Countries - like gods - are inter subjectively real.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

Sure, but people and organizations act through those. Not gods.

Tables and chairs are nothing more of amalgamations of wood, metal and paint. Nations are nothing more than amalgamations of people acting through institutions. Imo, they're both equally real, because we as intelligent beings have created them and ascribed them meaning and power.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 10 months ago

Perhaps. But this is the system we have.

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