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[–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's not at all anything I've said. I've said calling this genocide is ridiculous. Things can be tragically bad and not the worst possible thing.

There is no straight up plan to liquidate Gaza as in a genocide. To suggest there is such a plan is ridiculous, since Israel absolutely could enact such a plan, militarily.

Arguing for less hyperbole and more reality is not an endorsement of anything.

I don't care how many people on here downvote me or insult me. Discussion should be based on reality. One can express displeasure without making up crazy shit.

This kind of rhetoric is societal poison.

[–] TheresNodiee@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Edit: formatting

According to the UN Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect a genocide does not require the intended destruction of an entire people. It also doesn't require a concentrated, physical attack against a people to qualify for genocide.

From their site here: [https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml]

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

(Emphasis mine)

Ever since Israel was re-establishee in the wake of WWII, they have grown their borders by violently pushing the Palestinian people out of their homes until now there are only two small territories in which Israel has continued to illegally displace the local Palestinian people and create Israeli settlements. Now Israel is shelling one of those settlements to smithereens and moving in ground troops to occupy the land. They are committing genocide, they have been committing genocide for decades, and they won't be satisfied until the last vestiges of Palestinian land has been assimilated into their borders.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such

I love that you bolded for emphasis part of a paragraph you don't understand lol.

Fun fact, this part's also important: national, ethnical, racial or religious group

I bolded it for you just in case.

Also every aspect of this is false.

they have grown their borders by violently pushing the Palestinian people out of their homes until now there are only two small territories in which Israel has continued to illegally displace the local Palestinian people and create Israeli settlements.

There are no settlements in Gaza, and that is not how Israel's territory expanded.

[–] TheresNodiee@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you suggesting that the Palestinian people are not a national, ethnical, racial or religious group? Or did you just bold some words you don't understand? Also would you care to explain how I don't understand the parts I bolded? Israel has historically conducted a campaign of violent displacement of the Palestinian people. They've murdered them, removed them from their homes, and placed them in ghettos that Israel exercises a great deal of economic control over leading to massive rates of poverty and low access to necessary resources. You're supporting a state that has and is committing genocide.

Funny how you specify that there are no settlements in Gaza. Is there maybe another Palestinian territory with Israeli settlements that you're conveniently forgetting to mention?

And yeah, that's exactly how Israel's territory expanded.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Are you suggesting that the Palestinian people are not a national, ethnical, racial or religious group?

Hamas is a political entity. Not any of the above.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

I recommend using Ten Stages of Genocide

Mind you though, most of these stages are from Palestine's own doing

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The conservatives didn't gas every single Jew during the holocaust. They had the ability to kill all of them, but they didn't. They destroyed their lives, but many were not killed. Does that make it any less of a genocide?

Remember, conservatives like to include a bit of plausible deniability in their genocides to help keep everyone on board. This is very obvious genocide with a very thin patina of "plausible" deniability.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The conservatives didn’t gas every single Jew during the holocaust.

Jesus Christ dude can you just be normal for one second.