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IDF reveals Hamas command posts in and beneath Gaza hospital
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Even if true, does it justify bombing and killing everyone in that hospital?
That's the thing
Hamas is awful for putting military installations near civilian infrastructure, and the Israeli military is awful for bombing indiscriminately despite their advanced military tech and resources.
We don't need to pick one or the other
Im not sure if i would blame Israel. If someone was barricaded next door to you taking people off the streets, taking pot shots over the fence and holding human shields you would want something done too. Unfortunately, while any action taken should miniseries danger to non-combatants they are literally in the line of fire.
They tried blockades and cutting power, but everyone complained at that too. What are you meant to do when your opponent is deliberately trying to make you kill civilians to get rid of them?
If only there were some middle ground between "doing nothing" and "leveling the entire building from orbit". Perhaps something like sending in ground troops who can separate the terrorists from 6yo children.
Oh, I support invasion - just been arguing in soo many places forgot to mention it here.
But everyone seems to have an issue with ground assault too.
So send in iserali troops that cam get killed while trying to clear the tunnels and who could also in the heat of battle shoot innocent people ?
What dumb logic is that. You are just introducing more people that can die into the situation.
That's the cost of claiming to care about innocent life.
Well put.on your fatigues and go raid the hospital big boy. It's really easy to be concerned about innocent lives when you don't have to put yours on the line.
I'll keep the innocent soldiers safe and just bomb hamas
Love how soldiers are always innocent and victims are always terrorists.
I love how you go towards hamas being innocent and soldiers for Isreal bot being innocent.
Let's face it, you just want more iseralies to get killed
Do you lack reading comprehension or are you just looking to get triggered about the subject?
No I read it just as you meant it.
Take precautions and don't indiscriminately bomb civilian population creating the next generation of people that will fight you.
You know what would keep you from killing civilians?
A ceasefire.
You mean like every other ceasefire that was "agreed" in history that never lasted, had another attack and started all over again.
Those ceasefire?
Yes, those ceasefires! The ones that let non-combatants escape, aid to reach the dead and dying, humanitarian efforts to make headway even if only for a short time.
non combatants escape - Hamas is deliberately holding civilians where they can act as shields. They aren't letting their only protection go.
Aid to reach dying - Hamas is taking it and holding it, it won't reach those in need. Any aid that crosses will end up in the hands of those who want to prolong the conflict.
Humanitarian efforts to make headway - im not holding hope for any meaningful headway without coming under attack or theft, and would not be surprised if Hamas took aid workers as hostages.
I want you to be correct, but none of the history tells me that any civilians will benefit while Hamas is there and foreign (not necessarily Israeli) forces are not there to make it happen.
~40k Hamas fighters in Gaza can't hold the other 99.9% non combatants population hostage. This is an excuse to lump all Palestinians in with the Hamas fighters.
Flour was allowed in to feed the people then one of the only remaining bakeries in Gaza was bombed. What is that but an attempt to starve the people of Gaza. Again maybe 1 in 1000 people is Hamas so 999 people have to starve to cut off Hamas?
How about Westbank, where there is no Hamas. Why are they bombing Palestinians in the Westbank if this is all about Hamas and taking them out?
You clearly don't understand group think and herd mentality. Have you ever ignored someone with an assault rifle, or your government, or seen how small groups can control larger ones? Less than 10% of Germany were a part of the nazi party but they had the control of government and the population. America just had one gunman shut down an entire city, and they didn't control the hospitals, utilities or police.
My maths may be off, but you are also looking at 40k combatants in a 20 sqkm area. You are welcome to argue with one of them.
Plenty of Hamas in the west bank including one of their leaders I know of. They are more popular than Fatah in a lot of places.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosab_Hassan_Yousef this guy's father. Him and his brother are speaking out against Hamas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwvsrybklf8 https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy4Im6KPs7O/
So do 999 people have to starve for 1 Hamas fighters or could there be a better solution or is the final solution the only viable one for the Palestinians?
Palestinians in Gaza have been offered citizenship, relocation for their families, and a financial reward to snitch on Hamas.
Hamas is very popular unfortunately. Still hundreds, maybe thousands now, of collaborators including the family of its leadership.
Oh yea also your numerical comparison is more like 1/50 are Hamas fighters or directly involved. We (as in everyone native to the region) have big families with lots of kids which is why the population demographics look like they do. My grandma was 1 of 12 siblings. The guy I linked is 1 of 9. But as the guy I linked said the kids are taught and expected that being a militant fighter is a noble goal so a few young men in each family end up becoming fighters with family support.
First you bomb their houses, schools, and hospitals, then you offer them a financial reward to snitch.
I don't think that makes anyone but the dumbest motherfucker excited.
Take it or leave it.
Ones the shortest path to a good life for the kids. Being stubborn and martyring for the cause is what everyone there is taught is right at the schools. Including the UN run ones.
And you seemed to have missed the citizenship and relocation to a safe place with protection. The only threat to them at that point is the violent thugs that run their government and the people who think collective punishment is OK who want revenge.
Germans went through this too BTW.
Did an entire country of Afghanistan citizens have to suffer for the actions of 20 who took out an attack of US soil?
15 of them were citizens of Saudi Arabia, two were from the United Arab Emirates, one was from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.
19 hijackers none of whom were from Afghanistan, or Iraq. I wonder if the US probably prepared their war into Afghanistan from Saudi bases?
To be honest I completely forgot their origin, pont us in many cases alot suffer for the actions of a few.
What should Hamas do? Put their bases out in the open and announce where they are? They would be blown up within minutes.
Yeah, that'd work for me.
So pragmatism for palestine but israel must be held accountable to the highest standards?? This is why I cannot understand hamas apologists.
By the rules of war? Yes, absolutely. You could even make an argument that the Geneva Convention would encourage the bombing of this hospital as a way to deter future actors from attempting a similar war crime.