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Human rights are edgy now
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They don't need to be driven away, but the borders of Israel should be dissolved and all housing fairly redistributed.
Moderates could and do live side by side without issues.
The "issues" are all those extremists. You can't reason with them and they won't stop until they destroy you.
All those extremists that were voted into power, are cheered for by Palestinians, and represent Palestine in the media and in international relations?
At first I thought you were talking about Israel and its extremist government, not Palestine, where about 44% of the people are under 18. For additional info, the last election in Palestine was in 2006 and Hamas got 44.45% of the vote while Fatah got 41.43%.
Even Palestinians outside of Palestine celebrate when there is a successful attack of their leaders (which is currently Hamas) on civilians.
Additionally, Fatah is a hateful and extremist group as well. This is a recent quote of Fatah's president Mahmoud Abbas:
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Fatah is often seen as a type of counter to Hamas, less extremist and secular. But Fatah sprung from the Muslim Brotherhood, just like Hamas. They are the group behind the assassination of the Jordan Prime Minister and the murder on the 11 Israeli athletes in 1972 Olympics in Munich.
You mean like when Israelis egg on war crimes and reinforce it by voting in a far right-wing government and only move further and further to the right with each election? Again, I remind you that most Palestinians weren't even old enough to vote in the last election held in 2006.
based AF. Everyone lives together and learns to get along.
How is that supposed to work when Israel, among other things, allows pride parades and Palestine puts homosexual men into prison for 10 years?
It's called laws sir. You write them and then people follow them. There are plenty of Palestinians that have immigrated to where I'm at and surprisingly I know of no decade long vigilante detentions. That's part of the learning process. Everyone gets to learn acceptance, which I think is preferable to the current state of things.
I don't know in what world you live but just put out laws and people will follow them doesn't seem to be a success story when religious extremists are involved.
Ah, but that's when other laws come into play. It's a system. A system of laws. Look at America, nobody talks about it but Hillary Clinton didn't used to be a fan of gay people, she got over it, along with a bunch of other boomers. That's when the push for laws kicked in and more protections were afforded.
Israel and Palestine combined would be neither, it would be something new. You enshrine rights in your constitution and make it clear that nobody can deny anyone else those rights. Everyone has to give up a bit of what they thought was important, and those who can't let go of their ultra nationalist vision or violence against gays can go sit in time out. They don't get blown up, or shot or treated like animals. They just go get to think about it. OR they could leave and go places that are more in line with their whatever way of thinking. That's compromise. Nobody gets everything they wanted but you get enough.
Also, apologies for the sir part. I hadn't looked at your username and either way it was careless to possibly misgender you, even if it was meant in a joking way.
What people seem to not want to accept though, is, that as long as there are extremist groups peace won't be achieved.
I am from Germany and I know peace and friendship can be achieved between the most unlikely groups. But you need to do something against the hatred on your own side. And I don't see Palestine doing that. At all. The opposite really.
Being from Germany, I would also expect you to understand how quickly cultural norms can change and what both reunification and post conflict restructuring can do for a society. In situations of an imbalanced power dynamic it is almost always those in power who will have to cede privilege to the oppressed to correct that imbalance. This conflict has not started in a vacuum and nobody is excusing the attacks that have led to this current situation, but the collective punishment of Gaza needs to stop. Get over the "this side, that side" dynamic and start thinking about the people. Be on the side of humanity.
I am not on a side. I just think it's sobering how people who normally condemn conservatives and extremists swing their flag quickly into the other direction when they consider that to be "the correct side".
It's also pathetic that people in general seem to be unable to accept that someone who is a victim isn't automatically also righteous and out for peace.
The correct side is simply the one which is considered to have less power. It's simplistic and dangerous and makes me believe that many are teenagers or young adults who want to basically rebel against whatever.
That's not thinking about the people involved, it's not thinking about possible solutions or the future. Rather they just block warden each other in who is the most virtuous.
You really didn't address what I was saying at all. You just re-framed talking points that are going around and then acted like this is about virtue signaling. Why even take the time to write back?
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Liberal values tend to develop better in areas that aren't war-torn. Also, Israel is substantially behind the Western world in queer acceptance, so let's not act like they're a shining beacon just because they've had a couple decades head start.