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Kick tankies out of 196 (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 11 months ago by Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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Remember kids, Tankies wants to undermine democracy - same as facists.

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[-] AlboTheGuy@feddit.nl 22 points 11 months ago

That doesn't feel like a good argument, there are many reasons why a government descends into any of those, for one the CIA is known to disrupt any socialist/communist attempt at government and that can and did cause brutalism.

I mean if any attempt to give an alternative to the suffocating order of power is going to have to survive against the pressure of such power of course the only "successful" ones will have traits of authoritarism and strict even violent control of power itself.

Now don't misunderstand me I'm not saying that authoritarism is good or even that communism would certainly be able to lead to a better rule, I'm arguing that we don't know that because there are many other factors that can lead to the failures of a system.

Also really a blanket statement followed by generic stereotypes meant to undermine any other opinion will not lead to any intelligent discussion and betterment of any of the sides, we can do so much better.

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[-] AlboTheGuy@feddit.nl 11 points 11 months ago

I'm arguing that communism could work and that not working in our world doesn't disprove it, for all that matters.

I also think that the concept of failure needs a little attention, I mean you could argue that democracy failed too, it's supposed to give everyone an equal voice in the system and yet rich people have an incomparably stronger pull on elections and therefore decisions.

I would argue that humans value collectivism more than individualism, the last few centuries would see to go against this notion but for most of humanity we have lived in close knitted communities and valued our dépendance on each others. Even now the most individualist and powerful human would die in matter of months without help from the community (think of the water distribution and sanitation, no water = no food = death).

Thank you for arguing your point though, I appreciate it and it gave me very much food for thought, I'm not even denying that communism failed, it did, it has had its successes but it mostly failed it's purpose, as did democracy. One of them pulled it off better though, of course democracy.