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It's really bad, both Doctors without borders and the Red crescent have reported that the Israelis deliberately target their workers.
And the Israelis officially deny it, but in social media, their supporters accuse Hamas of abusing ambulances.
Obviously, both can't be true at the same time. Either they deliberately hit a clearly marked ambulance, or they didn't.
On YouTube and Reddit it's obvious that a lot of astroturfing goes on in the popular subs and channels.
Meanwhile, in real life and in less astroturfed social media, I see Israel rapidly losing support.
And I, for one, am sick of having Islamic terrorism and anti-semitism in Europe and instability on our front door. And the cause of that is for a large part Israel oppressing Palestinians , something that even many European Jews don't support.
I really don't know why our European leaders can't just be neutral and unbiased in the conflict. Zionism and Israeli colonialism bring us zero benefit.
One state or two state solution or perpetual war with the Arabs, let Israel figure this one out without us, please.
On the positive side, the Irish PM was refreshingly honest.
Another aspect of this is when western media and politicians are hesitant to call out Netanyahu's administration right now, despite so many Israeli people wanting him gone and months of massive protests in the country.
As for Ireland, they've actually long been different from other European counterparts about Israel/Palestine in both public opinion and government policy. The reasoning given is that they felt a shared sense of struggle against a powerful neighboring regime early on, and that helped them focus on the human rights aspects of the issue
Very true.
I read that 80% of Israelis disprove of him.
He also sounds like a mad man on TV.
So WTH is my PM rallying around this douche?
Like, condemn Hamas, pressure them to return the hostages and condemn violence and oppression against Palestinian civilians.
It's not a difficult script to follow.
Here's some relevant quotes:
These were human beings whom Israel dispossessed and expelled, whom it conquered again in their land of refuge and then turned into animals in a cage. They’ve experienced indiscriminate bombardments before, but now the worst of all is ahead of them. Israel has already announced that all the restraints it supposedly used in previous attacks will be lifted this time. Yes, hundreds of Gazans committed atrocious crimes, an outgrowth of 17 years of blockade and 75 years of suffering, with a bloody past and no present or future.
Israel has held millions of people under a brutal blockade for more than 15 years with the support of the entire Western world. That is inhumane and inconceivable, and every solution to this bloody conflict ultimately includes respecting the rights of all people, both in Gaza and Sderot, to live with security and human dignity. And that begins with respecting the most basic rules as set down in the international laws of war, which are designed to reduce the harm to civilians.
These are dark times: the fear of a catastrophe waiting to unfold. Israelis still don’t know the fate of their loved ones, everyday Palestinians are trying to survive under an all-out Israeli attack, the Israeli government and Hamas, both corrupt and bloodthirsty
Source: Hareetz. I suspect some would be surprised to read these kinds of opinions in a relatively large Israeli paper.
While Israel is part of the cause of Islamic terrorism in Europe, I think we should not pat too much on our backs. Yes, our countries' positions taking sides on Israel is problematic as hell and so is us being tied to the US in the minds of many people outside Europe. But so is our own Islamophobia. I get where it comes from, but othering and sidelining people will lead to further radicalization. Which for people whose Islamophobia is rooted in current oppression in many Islamic societies, is entirely opposite of what they want.
I wonder why medical facilities might be targeted. Oh, right, they make great human shields. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital
Let's just kill all these human shields.
Surely that will help this conflict.
It doesn't make any sense.
Israel just calls everything a terrorist or human shield to justify their war crimes.
Hamas is not launching attacks from hospitals. If they are, then there would be evidence.
Not sure about launching rockets from hospitals, but Hamas have apparently been using the hospital that OP cited as a torture center, even the Palestinian Authority says so (because some of their members were claimed to have been tortured by Hamas terrorists in that same hospital).
Can you provide a source for that?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/
The relevant part, towards the end of the article:
Sounds like they were using an empty building on hospital grounds, 9 years ago.
Like, I get what you're saying, but that still doesn't make it okay to attack the primary - and most active - hospital in the area (9 years after the fact).
Edit: But, also, holy shit fuck you Hamas, and your fucking Shariah courts.
It’s interesting how all sorts of stories from 9 years ago get warmed up these days to show the war crimes of one side. Makes me zone out
It is always wrong and inhumane to target hospitals. There is no ethical reason to attack a functioning hospital.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/3/10/is-russia-committing-war-crimes-by-bombing-hospitals-in-ukraine
Im realizing all these comments about hamas hiding in protected locations, are just accusing them of hiding in their own country. Like its just a given that Israel has to bomb Gaza, why dont they just go stand in an open field?