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Don't forget there's a lot of civilians in that 1million+ people.
And given that the average age in Gaza is 18 with 65% being under 24, that's a lot of children as well.
Genocide is bad.
I think your rationality is lost on a fascist
http://booru.soy/_images/901e991aaa724028a3c3421f9628f28a/52901%20-%20SoyBooru.jpg
People who openly applaud genocide are probably a tad bit fashy.
Sure I feel sorry for the civilians but I am not going to support terrorists and none of this would've happened if it weren't for Hamas
Time and time and time again. It has been shown that moral bombing does not work. The sort of organisation that would do what Hamas did would not stop because some of their civilians get hurt or killed. Steamrolling the gaza population to get to hamas will just create an human catastrophe that will likely inspire more violence and instability in the region. As painful as it is de escalation is the right move forward.
That's why they're invading. They spent the last 20 years using limited amounts of force to respond to Hamas' provocations. 20 years where gaza has the 1967 borders, zero settlements, zero internal checkpoints, Jews evicted at gunpoint; everything that should be required for lasting peace.
And after all that time and effort, they get the elderly, inform, children, toddlers in peaceful communities executed en-mass. Rockets built by tearing up electric, sewage and water utilities and impoverishing it's citizens, fueled by fertilizers stolen from it's citizens, paid with money stolen from it's citizens.
If it's not clear that an Israeli pullback to the 1967 borders won't be effective now, it never will be.
You're a fascist idiot if you sincerely believe that, but just so nobody falls for your bullshit, there was an opportunity for peace with Hamas once. It was 2012, where a ceasefire was signed, and one of its condition was the lifting of the blockade. Around that time, the West Bank government and Hamas started working towards creating a unified government and seriously pursuing peace. Everything Israel would've welcomed if it wanted peace. Well what happened?
The Israeli government vehemently opposed the unified government, calling on Mahmoud Abbas to choose between "peace with Israel or peace with Hamas". They also didn't lift the blockade. Naturally, because people don't like being tricked, and really don't like living in open-air prisons, Hamas resumed its attacks and the whole thing fell through.
Everything that should've been required for peace, gone to waste because Israel didn't want peace.
Bullshit. Realizing that Hamas was tearing up it's own infrastructure to build rockets and refusing to stop the blockade during. A period of regular rocket attacks doesn't mean it didn't wasn't peace. 2012 was the "we cease you fire" ceasefire era.
I like how you just dismissed the conclusion without addressing the reasoning. Anyway for everyone who's wondering why there isn't peace in the region, there you have it.
Hamas didn't resume rocket fire. The 2012 era ceasefire is the one where they kept firing rockets.
-Wikipedia.
Lowest isn't none.
It literally says "Hamas did not fire rockets into Israel, and tried to police other groups doing so". That's fulfilling their end of the bargain.
Allowing rockets to be fired from your territory is an act of war.
Okay you're just being obnoxious.
Yet somehow the PLA in the much larger West Bank manages.
They... Don't. There are resistance/terrorist organizations based out of the West bank; they just aren't as famous as Hamas. And it doesn't help that there are people who don't want peace and will actively work to disturb it.
They largely do. Almost every rocket attack has come from the Gaza Strip.
I mean yes, your point? Tell you what I don't need to hear it. You're arguing in circles now and I have better things to do with my life.
"limited amounts of force" 😭😭😭
Still not the fault of the civilians nor is it justified in any way.
As far as I’m concerned the vast majority of the population (considering that over half is quite literally 18 years old and younger) did not do anything. Palestine =/ Hamas.
Is giving civilians a warning to move south somehow not justified? Would you rather have them massacred with no warning?
It is well known that those are the only two options. Also, the problem here is that the task is not possible, according to UN personnel, not me or you. So this feels a lot as just a way to create plausible deniability by saying "we tried hard to spare civilians".
Well yea I’m glad there was at least some sort of warning, but how do you move over 1million people in 24 hours and where? But how does telling civilians to basically leave their homes to be destroyed justified? First they cut off necessities of life now they’re telling them to get lost.
it was always the plan at one time or another.
there is method to their provocation.
You don't feel sorry for them you asshole. You just posted that it was a good thing they died up above.
Right. Killing thousands of civilians just to resolve a conflict that was escalated for some reason from both sides.
There's only one noble side to be on in this, and that's the side of civilians and humanitarians.
If you're ever on the side of someone who is killing civilians, your brain made a left turn somewhere and your side is probably just as valid as the extremists on the other side.
Think about it. The only thing separating you from being the same monster you accuse those other ppl to be is being born on a different clump of earth.
What's wrong with you?