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OT is still the only thing worth watching imo. The rest is just gobblty gook.
I agree but with the only exception being Rogue One. That one is pretty solid.
yeah I've heard that, but then after suffering through the prequels, and even giving the new movies a chance, I had to hang it up. And I like the clone wars cartoons.
But nah. For me it all goes up on the shelf. I have to evaluate it as a franchise and its just utterly incoherent and more "whyyyyyyy", over-explained, breaking the suspension of disbelief, rehashed, fan-service, panel tested, corpo-garbage.
Forget that it’s Star Wars. Watch Rogue One then Andor. I’m not really a SW fan, but this combo is legitimately great.
What is it with Star Wars people always going backwards?
Joking aside, Andor is absolutely one of the top series of all time, no matter the category. It is excellently done.
Also, joking aside..... I liked Rogue One alright when it came out, but it's jarring to watch after Andor imho.
Serious answer: because the point of a prequel is that you have the knowledge of what comes later from having seen the precursor movie(s).
I’m a believer in watching things in release order.
I can't fucking stand Andor, will never understand why such a terrible show gets praise. Gave up after the Heist Arc, which was nothing but a bunch of unlikable twats bitching that Cassian Andor wasn't one of the cool kids, then they do a long ass marching scene, then they all die. I should have liked their deaths because of how truly disgusting they were, but honestly I felt nothing.
Same. I never got past the first half of the season just because of how boring it was. Everything is slow and nothing happens.
The ending could be amazing, but I am not going to bother if I have to claw myself to it. I got better shows to watch.
I expected to get down voted into oblivion. Instead I find a kindred spirit. That's good.
Andor did nothing but waste my time and the fanbase is incredibly toxic, unable to accept any criticism of the show without resorting to insults about how "Oh you can't pay attention without lightsaber fights."
Nothing happens in this show. I really tried to pay attention but the dead air had me reaching for my phone.
Just 30 plus minutes of people complaining about Andor being on their team and doing nothing to endear me to them. One of them wrote a book... woo...
And on the episode with the heist actually happening, it opens with fifteen minutes of marching. No dialogue, nothing of note. Just marching. Why?
And the show doesn't even seem to be made by someone who actually likes Star Wars. Why do they have realistic guns? Why are there dudes in military uniforms instead of Stormtroopers? Are they embarrassed by Star Wars imagery?
Andor is a snoozefest that excells at wasting the audience's time. I wouldn't mind the talking scenes if people talked about anything of substance, but it's always Empire Bad. I get Empire Bad, it's the premise of the setting. I don't need to be reminded Empire Bad.
Other way around.
Andor then R1
I certainly understand the logic behind watching things chronologically. But, I believe watching them in release order is much better.
Take, as an example,
K-2SO (spoiler below)
Doesn't it make it better you know who K-2SO is when watching Andor, and it's introduction in S02E08 of Andor hit that much harder already knowing the character?My friend told me to watch Rogue One but I didn't. Then he told me to watch Andor and I did. It was amazing. So I went ahead and watched Rogue One.
If I had watched Rogue One first, I would absolutely not have watched Andor. It was.....ok. The pacing kind of sucked. Way too many characters and you hardly got to know them. Basically all the parts about Star Wars I didn't like but more serious.
Andor is just a fantastic show in pretty much every way. You can forfet about the Star Wars connection entirety, you don't need any knowledge of the franchise going in. I highly recommend it to everyone
If you ever get the urge to try again, I recommend Rogue One and Andor. Pretty much the only good things to come out of Disney doing Star Wars.
Dude, Rogue One is SOOO good. Light years beyond the prequels and sequels. I like it better than Return of the Jedi. Jedi has so much silliness and kid stuff that's nowhere present in R1. R1's darkness feels like Empire.
You won't be sorry.
I would just say that if someone loves the OT and just wants more of that then R1 isn't going to make them happy. Honestly TFA is as close as you're going to get to "more OT but make it fresh". R1 is more like Star Wars through a completely different lens. Also digital Tarkin sucked. Had they just hired Charles Dance, the Tarkin scenes would've been 1000% better. That was as big a miss as not hiring Haley Joel Osmet for TPM.
But if someone loves the Start Wars universe and just wants more interesting things within it, then R1 is the juice. It's recognizably Star Wars without being too familiar or a rehash of what has been done before.
Your opinion.
I wasn't aware that was a remotely controversial opinion. I've never heard it described as more than adequate at best.
Not controversial, just garden variety fanboy bitching, and tiresome.
Andor/R1 is the only post OT that matters.
Rouge pne is absolute garbage too.
People look at the OT with such rose-colored glasses. There's so much of it that isn't great.
IMO the cracks don't form until Return of the Jedi.
People are hyper-critical of all movies/shows these days while also being media illiterate. Expecting a 100% cohesive plot, and pretending they're a critic because some Youtuber points out movie structure and plot devices.
And no, seeing a plot device doesn't mean a movie or a show is bad. It just means you recognized a story telling narrative device.
CinemaSins and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Yeah it's campy. But as long as it's not the sloppified version, it's fine. I don't mind films of that era.
Eh, even Return of the Jedi had strong signs of where he wanted to lead things. Toys, toys, toys.
Yeah, but I think it holds up better than the others. A New Hope has some let's say.. moments.. that don't hold up. But like, I'll rewatch RoTG and it's still fun.
Idk. If no new movies had been made, the OT would at least be in my top ten, top five even(?) for fun science fantasy.
But the perpetual rehash makes it unable to get into my top 50. Maybe not even top 100. The more crap they produce the less I like it.
Yup. I hate how it's possible for a film to be spoiled by the very existence of bad sequels
I agree but I also think the prequels fit into the story even if they're not as good. But the three that came after the OT don't make a lot of sense. The last of the three is not even star wars it's so generic
Plenty worth reading, though.