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How great were The Verve (feddit.uk)
submitted 3 days ago by tetris11@feddit.uk to c/casualuk@feddit.uk
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Did they ever make a bad song?

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[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

screwed over by the rolling stones over that string arrangement.

wait what?

[–] CTDummy@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

They originally had permission from the stones for the main (string) sample in bittersweet. However stones said it went slightly longer than they agreed to, sued and won royalties I believe. Fuck the Stones.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's more on Allen Klein who was a scumbag.

"After a lawsuit by the Rolling Stones' former manager, Allen Klein, the Verve relinquished all royalties to the Rolling Stones members Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, who were also added to the songwriting credits. In 2019, ten years after Klein's death, Jagger, Richards, and Klein's son ceded the rights to the Verve songwriter, Richard Ashcroft."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Sweet_Symphony

[–] IanTwenty@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago

Thanks for linking that, it's worth a full read

According to the Verve's bassist, Simon Jones, the Verve were told they would be given half the royalties, but when the single began selling well, they were instructed to relinquish 100% or remove it from sale.

Not fair!

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I just listened to the Rolling Stone's 1965 version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdFQtbXAWdc (First 20 seconds at 0.5 speed), and it's not a great comparison

That being said the Andrew Oldham 1966 cover version is a pretty strong match:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YrllfAMwHI
(I'd also say it's artistically better, with Futurama themes)

Edit:
Woah, okay I'm a fan of Andrew Oldham's Orchestra. They've done a few covers of Rolling Stones songs, and they all sound way waay better than the whiney steeley sound that I find grating about the Rolling Stones