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Some men are skipping showers before dates to embrace a new trend called pheromone-maxxing
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Have you ever been on a date that ended with sex? Most of the time you aren't exactly asked to take a shower beforehand, expecting someone to have clean genitals is kinda the norm.
That line of questioning is devastating to my argument, please stop speaking about it. I do not consent to losing this argument.
God you're fucking shallow and a terrible debater. I'm not diswaying from discussing it because it's some sort of crux to my argument, I'm diswaying from it's discussion because it is unrelated to the discussion. If all you've got in your mind is the others genitals during a date, you're chasing smoke, and you'll realize that when you're older or wiser. Plus, I don't really care to talk about genitals or sex with you, I'll discuss hygiene, but that can be in generic terms with no sexual involvement. My entire point to all of this is that it's shallow to change your habits just to persuade someone into a date/relationship, it's not sustainable long term, and you'll end up unhappy. You are clearly someone who needs to learn that lesson yourself with time.
Bro, I'm glad you've managed to find a husband who is totally cool with all that, but for most people the expectation for a date is best foot forward. This means washing up, dressing nicely, and in general treating it like it's a special occasion. If someone doesn't do that I'm likely to assume either indifference or that they are putting their best foot forward and are less put together normally. It's no different from cleaning your home before bringing someone back to it the first time. It says "I cared enough to clean up, and I don't live in filth or a massive mess"
But additionally, it is absolutely sustainable to change habits for what people find attractive/tolerable. Sure if something makes you miserable it isn't, but plenty of changes for others aren't ones that make a person miserable and absolutely can be sustained.
I just don't see the issue either way. Dating is for compatibility, the normalization of "putting your best foot forward" is not reflective of everyday life. But sure. Continue the trend that's led to a 50% divorce rate in the US and call me crazy 🤷♂️.
And to clarify, I've never at any point said to be unhygienic. There's a difference between hygiene and ritual and the cleaning regime of most people falls into the latter category and is actually, perhaps unintuitvely, damaging to your skin.
Your dating partner imo should also be comfortable with you as you are, not under any specific or special circumstances. It's not sustainable over long periods of time such as the decades you'll potentially spend together. Perhaps this is just the perspective of an old soul, but I've been around the block and I've found the more effort you put in outside of your normal self, the more likely you are to find out you're incompatible farther down the line than right away. I'm not trying to give an excuse to the guy who's not showered in a week or who absolutely reeks the second the walk in the room, but to pretend it's something you must do before a date and that going into it smelling natural is obscene is just investing heavily into a pervasive peacocking mindset that's caused everyone to be more shallow in their day to day. It's a side effect of the commercialization of personal health.
So shallow because I want to be clean before a date......? Part of that cleanliness is obviously going to involve your genitals as you are going on a date which often concludes with sex.
This is unrelated how?
Lol, I'm very confident that I am older than you. Having the forethought to predict that your sexual partner would like you to be clean does not take a lot of processing power for most people.
It's kinda an important aspect of being in a romantic relationship......
Lol, long-term relationships are all about both people changing their personal behavior in a way that makes their partners life easier. That's part of growing old with the person you love. The fact you think relationships are about never making a personal compromise or remaining true to a false image of yourself let's me know you are either in your twenties or have never been in a relationship longer than 5 years.
Nobody is saying to change your personality or habits so you can PERSUADE someone to date you. You are adding that yourself. It's like dudes not wiping their ass after they shit cuz "touching your butt is gay" and then getting upset women don't want to go on dates with them cuz they smell bad lol.
Why don't you have a date in a Waffle House bathroom if you don't care about smells?