Ethnic Minorities and People of Color
Official Title of this Community: Ethnic Minorities and People of Color
Why is the title different?
We like to have fun here.
What is this place? A safe space for underrepresented peoples and peoples of color to talk, chill, and vibe.
What are the basic rules of the community?
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Follow Lemmy TOS and Community Guidelines. Non negotiable. This is the bedrock and mods will make decisions with this always in mind.
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This community is for ethnic minorities and people of color. This is a safe space where such people can freely discuss their struggles, insight, and thoughts without fear. If you are not, we respectfully ask you do not post or comment here. A future community will be established to allow for racial discussions with a mixed userbase. However, remember, comments here must still respect Lemmy TOS and Community Guidelines.
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Irony Racism is still racism. Racism is bad m'kay? We will treat irony racism and bad faith racist satire as racism. Will wield the ban hammer accordingly.
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No sectarianism: This is an identity channel not a channel for you all to complain about why XYZ isn't the "one true leftism". Take that to another place.
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Stupidpol is not allowed. Stupidpol is class reductionist. We are an identity community. Thinking like stupidpol ignores the struggles of the oppressed, their voices, and their need for unique support. Nothing says oppression more than someone saying that the identity you have is "not real" and that if you only thought like them you'd see what your "real" identity is. Mods reserve the right to ban users and content who promote stupidpol, stupidpol memes, and other class reductionist thinking.
FAQ
I don't look XYZ and/or sometimes I can pass as white so I don't know if I can post here. Can I?
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This place is for ethnic minorities and people of color. This includes those of mixed heritage and those who may be "white" but are of an ethnicity that is a minority in their area (i.e. Kurds, etc) If you've experienced oppression due to your identity that is not based on sexual / gender identification, you are welcome here.
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Moreover, for our American audience, we have people from around the world who are "white" but are oppressed due to being a minority in their country. They are and should be welcomed here.
What can I post?
- Anything you think is relevant to the mission of this community. Things will evolve over time.
- Topics and things relevant to EM and POC.
Suggested Posts
- [People of Spice]: Food recipes so others can taste your culture
- [Theory]: Vid/podcasts/websites discussing issues relevant to identity, anti-imperialism, etc
- [News]: Vids/podcasts/websites that talk about current events relevant to EM and POC
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I feel like such a weirdo for saying this and I’m torn between posting in the empoc thread or to the general site. But I don’t have the time to field dogpiling today if the general site thinks I’m too much of an ultra for this, and it’s intended more of as introspective musing than as struggle-session fodder: Dolly Parton has always made me uncomfortable
When did I ever even learn she existed? Sometime in early childhood, but late enough that I’d learned that those white folks with those drawls and country-fashion and US flags were dangerous. They were racist when I met them irl. They were genocidal warmongers on the TV. They glorified a culture that had murdered First Nations en masse, a culture that had tortured and enslaved Africans for generations, a culture that was now calling people who looked like me “terrorists” and doing horribly evil things. The music that came from that culture and was inescapable on the radio, in stores, was all pro war nationalistic bullshit. That culture was not to be trusted, and nor was anyone from it.
I didn’t know anything about Dolly Parton except that the biggest part of her brand was “white southern belle”, and so I was uncomfortable with her and did my best to just ignore her. She didn’t stand out any more than anyone else really. Until later, when for reasons I could not understand, it turned out she had become or perhaps had already been a meme and a queer, feminist, working class icon!
Alright, so I would just ignore that discomfort or say fine, she’s a complicated woman. Maybe I misjudged her. She can’t help what culture she was born into, right? I watched 9 to 5 and thought it was fun. Not all discomfort or bias is legit or fair.
Well then today I saw this post: https://hexbear.net/post/9405321
Fucking what. She was part of the same wave of post-9/11 jingoistic nationalistic country music that made me detest the genre so much! And people just roll with it? This cover creeps me out as much as if that were the 3rd Reich’s flag and she were posing in a Nazi suit with a hakenkreuz armband.
Am I saying Dolly Parton is cancelled? No, though that may just be cowardice on my part. If I think about it more then maybe I will. But, making it less about one dead woman who took some good stands and bad ones, it’s gotten me grappling more with how perplexed I’ve felt at liberals and even left-leaning people — not just white, black too! — leaning into the cowboy country wild western aesthetic. When people were falling over themselves about Lil Nas X fusing country with hip-hop and queering it, my only reaction was “Meh — what in country can be disentangled from white supremacy? Why would you want it?” Everything cowboy-ey is tinged with slavery and genocide to me, and it’s weird to see anyone desiring it at all. If you want some American Southwest desert culture that’s cooler, there were and are people living there who weren’t genocidal colonizing slavers! I cannot shake this feeling that fetishization of “country” is inherently white supremacist, even when queer poc do it, even when they obviously don’t mean it that way.
RIP to Dolly anyway, and I’ll withhold the crabs raves out of respect for the good that she did do, but I don’t think I’ll ever be comfortable with her or any presentation of her legacy that does not grapple with everything that was problematic about what she represented and did. But that is also a problem that is much bigger than just her, and I acknowledge it isn’t fair to pin it all on her.
A lot of country music comes from gospel which came from slaves, either as part of religious worship or while working plantations. Many slave songs were meant to prevent slaves from talking to one another while working so they didn't conspire to escape or rebel. After slaves were freed, they kept these songs as part of the emerging African-American culture.
These musical traditions then changed and were built upon, turning into genres ranging from blues to the much, much later rock n' roll. And of course as this music got popular, white people began appropriating it. Country is one such example, where whites took black folk music for themselves.
There were more than black influences on the genre, obviously (such as Irish, Cajun, and Native American musicians), but country music has always been exploitation of the suffering that produced it by claiming it for white supremacy. Some black artists have tried to reclaim the genre, yet they do not get the type of spotlight of ~~neo-nazi~~ patriotic whites. They were never played on radio stations, which meant they never had a chance of gaining notoriety and influence. The genre was flipped from being something created by former slaves to something used to segregate the airwaves.
tl;dr-- you aren't going crazy. Country is fucking weirdo shit used by whitey to have some semblance of culture. But since whitey is morally bankrupt, he is creatively bankrupt and can only steal from others.
I think that's just the thing with Western "leftists/liberals". She obviously did a lot of good things as you pointed out. The problem is that its always with an "America first" bend. So she may have really spoken to the American working class in a way you wouldn't expect, or a feminist, or been good on LGBTQ+ issues, but that all ends when it comes to practicing anti-imperialism. Suddenly she doesn't look all that different from all the raving maniacs that claim the same culture she did.
So I get where you're coming from when you say you feel a bit uncomfortable about her legacy. I never really had much of a connection to her, but I can pick out any number of seemingly good people who also fall flat on their face when it comes to anti-imperialism (or race/religious issues). It gets even more awkward when you get a bunch of people who profess to being "anti-imperialists" getting mad at these things being pointed out.
A couple of weeks ago I had talked a bit about this in general terms. Too many people feel the need to appropriate an image of America's past and try a put a more POC positive spin on it and its just not all that helpful. Hanging on to the white supremacist legacy of America and "reimagining/sanatizing" it is only serving the very institution they believe they are defying.
Yes!
I always see stuff about "cowboys are gay", cowboys were colonizers, racists and land thieves.
That person should join Hexbear, they'd love them here