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[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So is TNG's entire plotline with Moriarty. One could argue that the Federation knew about the sentience of holograms long before the Voyager era, and actively encouraged their slavery despite their clear sentience.

In fact the final "solution" Picard & Data work out for Moriarty in TNG is pretty fucking evil if you think about it.

So, summary is that Moriarty is holding the Enterprise hostage (he's gained the command codes) in exchange for his freedom from the holodeck. Picard trades it for control of the Enterprise, and Moriarty and his love, the Countess, depart the Enterprise on a shuttle.

Unknown to Moriarty, Data and Picard had created a program within the program, allowing Moriarty to believe he had departed the holodeck despite actually remaining within it. Picard and Data then ended the program the moment the command lockouts were removed, and left the holodeck a few minutes later. Moriarty and the Countess Regina Barthalomew would spend the rest of their lives inside a memory module, unaware of their situation, for as far as they were concerned they had left the Enterprise to live their lives in the real world.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago

The resolution of that story is presented as Picard, a representative of Starfleet, genuinely expressing a desire to find a more permanent and real solution for Moriarty. Unfortunately as established by Lower Decks (and indeed hinted at in the second Moriarty episode itself) Starfleet is actually really, really bad at follow-through.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

To be fair, they had a team at Starfleet HQ working on granting Moriarty independence from the holodeck for four years and simply didn't have the technology for it. They also didn't know he was aware that whole time and thought he was basically asleep. Picard is also very reasonable and encouraging when it looks like he's left the holodeck, and only starts on the prison box when it's clear he's willing to destroy the ship if they don't get him off the holodeck.

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They trapped Moriarty and the Countess inside a velvet prison, yes, but with every intention of finding a way to release them into the universe.

I like to think that in the future, they give the two a reverse engineered holo-emitter the doctor uses in Voyager. They know how it works, but they can't yet duplicate it due to technological limitations.

So at some point in the future, some science Ensign is gonna come across the Moriarty Cube in storage and give them bodies. Hijinks will ensue as Moriarty is not happy with having been trapped so long, as he DID eventually figure it out, and has to be reminded of his "humanity" to accept things again. Then they give the happy couple their mobile emitters, and a small ship equipped with emitters everywhere, including on the hull to allow for limited travel near the ship without a mobile emitter being necessary.

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Claimed they had every intention. That intention is never followed through, even after they gain the capacity to create holo-emitters. Overall, it's kind of a horrifying fate, because canonically, without another resolution, eventually they reach the limits of the fake universe, and discover they've been imprisoned the entire time.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

eventually they reach the limits of the fake universe, and discover they've been imprisoned the entire time.

But how does it differs from our reality which could just be a simulation altogether?

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Because they're immortal, and will eventually find the limitations of the simulation over time, thus knowing they are forever trapped in a box. Because the Star Trek writers never wrote a conclusion for them beyond being trapped in the simulation, canonically they eventually meet this fate.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unless there's provision in their programming for them to age normally within the simulation, and eventually die at the end of a life well lived.

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Except that there's not, canonically, until Starfleet Academy. The Doctor from Voyager develops it roughly 200 years after the end of the Voyager series - and that only ages his appearance on a voluntary basis. He's still effectively immortal.

Plus, previously to this "final solution" in TNG, when they turned the holodeck off for a number of years, Moriarity was still conscious, frozen in a dead world and aware of the passage of time, but did not age.

[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While it's not a hologram, it's established in TNG that another artificial lifeform was created with the capacity to naturally age and die on a human timescale.

spoilerData's mother, who is a Soong android but doesn't know it.
The same is later established in Picard for
spoilerPicard's replacement body.

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

True to some extent on point one, but because an android is a physical manifestation, the aging process can be simulated through mechanical means. This isn't quite the same as the limitations placed on a hologram, which are entirely programmatic.

I'm gonna confess that I didn't make it all the way through Picard, so I'll absolutely give you that point - but I'll also point out that this makes it exceptionally cruel, because as far as I know, Picard doesn't go back and give Moriarity a replacement body.

Back to point one - the hologram should in theory be easier to age than an android, as its entirely programmatic. But then this brings up the question, if you program in aging and death to a hologram, how is that any different than a death sentence?

In Moriarity's case, if he is programmed to age and die in the simulation, Picard has become his executioner - although a random number generator for M's lifespan might ease his conscience a bit. If not, Picard becomes an absent jailor.

The only moral decision that supports Federation principles (or at least TNG principles) is to let Moriarity go free as soon as the technology is available. He is, canonically, the first member of a newly discovered intelligent species.