Ah, I remember distinctively how I got up in the morning and decided voluntarily to have a call from daycare "we're closed today". And I decided how my mother had a stroke and died, who would've taken the kids under those circumstances 😅👍

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Agreed. But this does not make the consequences voluntary. If it's your kid, you have to raise it.

At the extreme, child neglect is a jailable offence.

[–] ruby@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

yes, you have to raise it from that point - due to a decision that you made on your own volition. you opted for that decision, knowing that it has consequences. so you have to deal with the consequences because of a choice, which was optional. in other words, these consequences are self-inflicted.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes. Similarly putting a vacation on the credit card is a decision made on your own volition. But no-one is going to describe the consequential repayments as voluntary.

[–] ruby@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

you could have just chosen not to run your card that in the first place. especially if you're not in the position to deal with the consequences.

likewise, having kids isn't "like a second work", it's caused by one's decision. you could have opted not to have them. it's purely a voluntary choice. why do the consequences for someone else's voluntary decision warrant others being forced to accomodate it or change their plans?

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Having the kid is voluntary.

Once you have one, rasing it is not.

why do the consequences for someone else's voluntary decision warrant others being forced to accomodate it or change their plans?

Ah. In this case your issue is with the employer not being able to plan or be flexible, not the person rasing the kid.