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[–] Alvaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Unpopular opinion here (I am also a childfree person)

As much as I don't want them, kids are the future of every society and we all suffer the consequences of a general societal parental inadequacy (the kids today will be our doctors, carers, drivers, etc)

So, while some places take it to a ridiculous extreme and act as if parents are just completely free of any duties, I do think that generally workers who have children, especially small children, should get certain benefits and have more relaxed hours to give them the space to be proper parents.

Of course in an ideal society all of us would have a significant amount of free time and we wouldn't need to bother with making any special treatment for parents because we would all have the time we need to do the things we want and if those things are being parents then parents will have the time to both be parents and also do some of the other things they want. Currently we don't live in that society and work is almost entirely consuming of our free time.

[–] DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Also in an ideal society, choosing to keep an unintentional pregnancy would have about the same level of social stigma as choosing to abort one carries today in Oklahoma or Utah.

Also in an ideal society getting a child support order for anything more than half the cost of an abortion would be impossible without proof the pregnancy was intended by both parents, doctors refusing to sterilize anyone of reproductive age who wants to be sterilized wiuld be considered malpractice, and accessing any social services for expecting/new parents would be contingent on both parents enrolling in classes about effective parenting and early childhood development.

I could go on and on, but the two original sins of modern society that must be eliminated are the idea that having a baby is always a good thing, and the idea that the biological parents are magically equipped to be the best possible people to raise a child.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Everyone I work with has kids, so... We're all in the same boat?

Also, leaving the office whenever? You know that shit is falling under sick time or people are skipping lunches to have two hours off one day.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's odd that parents and smokers get more time off than people who don't give money to cancer stick selling billionaires and who don't know how to pull out.

[–] mushroommunk@lemmy.today 85 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Or maybe just band together and fight for more time off for everyone so you aren't at the will of a few billionaires obsessed with you as slave labor?

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[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

What's this corporate billionaire propaganda?

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Before going that far, workers should consider explaining less. If you tell people why you can't work overtime, they will trivialize your outside commitments. If you "have another commitment" then they can't argue with the substance.

Of course your boss could still threaten to fire you, if it's the US with shitty labor law. But be smart, and stop providing the argumentative material to them.

Similarly, just don't answer the phone or text messages on your day off. Don't friend your boss on social media... If that's your baseline, again, they have less information to use against you, and all of the pointless arguments simply stop happening.

This is all surprisingly easy to do if you plan it out in advance. The key point is that your boss is not your friend and the company is not your family.

[–] jdr@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Ya, I just leave the office whenever I need to. I think if asked I might bullshit something about fresh air breaks being in the safety training, but nobody asks.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Best thing my job ever did for me was give me a phone stiped to get a dedicated work phone. I work in government and it allows me to log into work systems without mixing with my personal stuff, allows me to work remote more easily, and keeps my main personal phone from being subject to Open Records requests.

But what it also means is I can leave the phone at the house and forget work when I'm off the clock. With previous jobs I couldn't help myself and I'd read emails and shit I got over the weekend. Now I just turn off the work phone and enjoy my time off.

And if there's a legit emergency that needs my attention, they do have my personal cell number, but simply having it as a separate number keeps them from sending bullshit to it.

Also, it's handy for my boss to be able to send me a short Teams message or something they want me to take care of first thing Monday knowing that they're not interrupting my weekend.

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[–] Schal330@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So I've seen in a previous job where someone was complaining that a guy was leaving at 4pm to get his kid and how it was unfair just because he had a child.

What that person bitching and moaning didn't see was that the parent was getting into work MUCH earlier than him, and would regularly log back on when getting home.

Sure there are some parents who take the piss, but there are also plenty of parents that put the hours in and more, they just need a little flexibility because childcare and the associated costs are a fucking joke and society isn't set up to enable single income families.

[–] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (43 children)

I know of jobs where people with kids get to choose assignments more regularly if there's travel involved because they have kids and because the managers have kids. I mean I get it, but it is discriminatory.

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[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 34 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Oh yeah... Parenthood.... Real easy. We're doing it for the work breaks.

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 31 points 3 days ago (18 children)

This tweet is not advocating for removing the breaks for parents, it's advocating for also giving the same breaks to everyone. Same as with smoke breaks.

It's healthy to take small breaks every once in a while, and every worker should have access to them. You shouldn't need to have a kid or an addiction to enjoy your breaks.

Hell, I myself take smoke breaks and I have never smoked.

[–] amorpheus@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

People should be able to take breaks and get time off regardless of addictions or dependents. Crazy concept.

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[–] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Oh that shit pissed me off so bad and smokers... I quit a job because they were going to move me across the country to fill a roll they could find a local because I was the single guy. I said no and they said I have "no choice" bad move, I have a choice.

Then they had 2 spots to fill, fucking dummies.

That "boss" went from senior director to basic manager in the next year for shit like this. Fuck you Adam.

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[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

People love to argue about whether kids count as work and whether they're voluntary but workers get old and retire. They need to be replaced. In our society we don't subsidize this process, even though social reproduction is part of the overall capitalist mode of production. They've convinced you to provide a replacement labor force for them and they are not paying you for your labor. And then they even get you to feel bad about it.

[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (26 children)

Kids are understandable. What (mildly) annoys me is the free pass for smoke breaks.

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[–] banshee@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I don't know what kind of job this person has, but this strikes me as the least empathetic statement a person could make. Yes, I have young children, and I learned that I knew nothing about parenting before having kids.

I'm pretty sure we sure be fighting a class war instead

[–] liuther9@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

I was like that when I was 16. Completely childish behavior. Unless those parents offload their work constantly to other employees. Or let the team down.

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