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I didn't know the greeks were THAT gay (lemmy.ml)

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I am reading Plato's symposium rn and it is basically a series of speeches regarding love that build upon each other in sequence. Almost none of the emphasis is on heterosexual relations. That sort of relationship gets mentioned as an aside. Much of this is admittedly pederasty but Pausanius (who is in a gay relationship with Agathon) and Aristophanes openly advocate for adult homosexual relations and Aristophanes even rejects the common notion that it is shameful for the bottom to actively enjoy intercourse.

Nuts how much of it has its origin in misogyny though

Also it's just a really fun read, I expected it to be dry as hell but these guys are funny (or at least Plato is lol). They got jokes.

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[–] Tiocfaidhcaisarla@hexbear.net 10 points 15 hours ago

Reading Homer this summer and it's crazy how misogynist it is. Achilles' wrath is from his slave woman being taken from him, and she later laments Patroclus' death because after Achilles killed her whole family, he didn't let her cry. Helen often calls herself a whore for being taken by Paris. Agememnon is killed by his wife and when Odysseus meets him in Hades, he says that because of this treachery, all women are forever evil and can never be trusted again. And yeah they just be making slaves of women after sacking cities and slaughtering everyone else.