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I didn't know the greeks were THAT gay (lemmy.ml)

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I am reading Plato's symposium rn and it is basically a series of speeches regarding love that build upon each other in sequence. Almost none of the emphasis is on heterosexual relations. That sort of relationship gets mentioned as an aside. Much of this is admittedly pederasty but Pausanius (who is in a gay relationship with Agathon) and Aristophanes openly advocate for adult homosexual relations and Aristophanes even rejects the common notion that it is shameful for the bottom to actively enjoy intercourse.

Nuts how much of it has its origin in misogyny though

Also it's just a really fun read, I expected it to be dry as hell but these guys are funny (or at least Plato is lol). They got jokes.

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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 22 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Nuts how much of it has its origin in misogny though

Yesterday I was reading the wikipedia page on Georgian pagan myths and according to that their foundational creation myth is basically "god made all the lesser gods, everything good, and men, and HIS SISTER did the exact opposite" and like eventually the lesser gods drove the demons to the underworld and they just like, left women (evil, btw) behind

ancient civilizations were not populated by people who were well

[–] Athena5898@hexbear.net 7 points 15 hours ago

Well, you have to remember too that this narrative survived because it benefited the status quo. I think it is very important to remember that even the Ancient Greeks at one point were not as bad as the depictions, because it benefited the tyrants for it to have always been this way you know? If you dig deep enough, almost every "evil goddess" type character was at one point a highly significant figure in a different group but was overtaken, and their goddess turned evil to change the masses. AKA Catholic's were not the first.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 9 points 18 hours ago

~~ancient~~ civilizations ~~were~~ are not populated by people who were well

Tbh

Anyway I love history for this reason, it is fascinating to see all their weird ideas and wonder why they developed them.