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Every single time fascism has taken over, it is because the left was too busy infighting.

Every single time fascism has taken over, it is because liberals sided with fascists against socialists.

• Michael Burns (of Wisecrack fame): 📺 Why Liberals Always Side with Fascists
• Hampton Institute: Liberal Democracy: The Bedfellow of Fascism
• Gabriel Rockhill:
  • Fascism: Now You See It, Now You Don’t!
  • Liberalism and Fascism: Partners in Crime

 
Once more let me remind you what fascism is. It need not wear a brown shirt or a green shirt -- it may even wear a dress shirt. Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege.
— Tommy Douglas

None of your beef with each other matters if democracy disappears.

What democracy? You have got to be kidding me. Previously:

It’s not wrong to say regulatory capture is a problem, it just doesn’t go far enough. The US government was never not captured by the bourgeoisie, because the US was born of a bourgeois revolution[1]. The wealthy, white, male, land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers constructed a bourgeois state with “checks and balances” against the “tyranny of the majority”. It was never meant to represent the majority—the working class—and it never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (at least those not disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote. BBC: [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

The game is rigged. The election cycle’s pomp and circumstance is to divert your energy and attention from the fact that it’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.

democrats are not the left.

Fascism and liberalism are the same fucking system. What you think of as the difference is actually the DISTANCE between you and the "frontier". Inside the core of fascism is liberalism. On the boundary of liberalism is fascism.

What did liberal America do to black people? Fascism. What did liberal America do to indigenous people? Fascism.

What did liberal Europe do to Haiti? Fascism.

What did liberal Europe do to Africa? Fascism.

What did liberal Europe do to Southeast Asia. Fascism?

What did liberal America do to The Phillipines? Fascism.

lmao what on earth do you think unity among groups whose core positions are diametrically opposed looks like.

Usually in the US this logic is not about building an even slightly coherent coalition where there is something on the table for each group. Instead it is a nagging and attempt to shame people who are developing a political consciousness (not to mention conscience) into simply supporting the capitalist right wing status quo. Everyone with left principals has already correctly stepped away from that game entirely.

Let's make it simple: what policy position are you giving to the Zionists and anti-Zionists, people whose sole descriptors are antithetical. Remember, the status quo state policies are Zionist, so doing nothing is not neutral.

EDIT: Y’all have two choices - cooperate or welcome fascism. So far it looks like you prefer fascism

You didn't read a single one of the replies to your post.

Liberals are not leftists, centrists are fucking brain dead, pro Israel centrists even more so. What we have in this country is a gross perversion of democracy sold to us by corporations and paid off politicians.

Anyone who can’t recognize that and work with actual leftists to curb it, are actually the ones handing everything over to fascism. This status quo “most important election of our lifetimes” bullshit just keeps the pendulum swinging.

Liberals are not left and most US democrats are liberals and not even social liberals,
which is the centrist position of capitalist democracy.

A neoliberal corporate funded dark money group like "thirdway" fighting DSA is "infighting"?

My friend. At a certain point you gotta realize that these groups aren't "fighting fascist". They are literally there to exist as offering "the only reasonable defense against fascism" while spending all their time attacking to their left.

The are about as socialist as "national socialism". Don't pretend this is infighting. The left in America is United behind DSA. Even the twitter ultras are admitting that DSA is at least building class consciousness within the masses. Hell, the anarchist aren't even crying that much and still doing good work on the streets as they always do. There is very little infighting. The Democratic establishment and groups like "thirdway" are not our allies. They will let Trump kill us all before they let capitalism lose ground.

If you're defending these centrist Democrats and their propaganda groups like thirdway; you aren't infighting with other leftist. You are supporting the fascism and falling for their "being reasonable" messaging. "Being reasonable" in the face of fascism literally just means allow it to keep its strength. You don't stop fascism by being reasonable with the fascist.

You lost me at cooporating with Zionists. They're literally modern day Nazis and the cause of most of our biggest issues.

pro- Israel centrists

to fight fascism, we must unite with fascists

There can be no unity under capitalism

pro- Israel centrists

i.e. fascists

"In order to stop fascism, leftists need to ally with genocidal fascists, otherwise it's leftist infighting"

Then unify behind the left.

It's exactly bourgeois, liberal democracy that legitimizes fascism in the first place. Its institutions rooted in private property relations and capitalist enterprise allow poverty to flourish thereby enabling fascists to pick up the pieces and divide us.

The rejection of fascism starts at recognizing capitalism and its internal contradictions as the driving force of fascism.