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[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

China is Israel's biggest exporter and 2nd biggest importer

CCP doesn't give a fuck about Gazans or they would embargo, it's just a retorical device for them.

[–] thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Lmao another american demanding china enforce unilateral sanctions on every country that trades with israel in order to cut them off. What do you think would happen? Europeans or americans would just sell them chinese shit. You haven't thought about this for five seconds. They would need to cut themselves off from every single nation in the US bloc, defeating the entire purpose of their economic strategy

What happened to the palestinian reporters al jazeera hired, by the way? Does your smushed walnut brain even have room for WHO RUNS AL JAZEERA 🤣 ?

[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you disagree with palestinian calls for BDS?

Pretty pathetic to put simping for China above solidarity with Gaza

[–] thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Do you really think you can talk down to me when you didn't even bother to research Hamas' stance on China? Are you a total fruit loop up there?

[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Yes, if you think Hamas is interchangeable with the will of the Palestinian people, I think everyone should talk down to you.

[–] caryll 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

@the_fuckler@nord.pub yeah seconding that, it's like there's not even a real person on the other end. something darker, an entity that feeds only on pain and carnage and missile strikes. it's like... it doesn't even want another little treaty treat. it doesn't even want to have the keys jangled in front of it. all it cares about is something called "the ongoing genocide" which it claims is related to generations of dead weighing like a nightmare on the brains of the living, which is like really creepy my dude. i've never heard it clamor for more superprofits once! but that would mean it can't feel pain or remorse and it can't be stopped unless it's killed. can it be killed?

it just doesn't make sense. the only genocide in history occurred during world war ii. criminal insanity, I presume

[–] the_fuckler@nord.pub 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Ohhh so this schizoid is one of your blorbos or something. Alright have fun inventing arguments to obliterate with facts and logic on the internet. I know this is going to somehow end a genocide somewhere if you deliver enough sick owns with Lennie SmallGPT here in a comment section

[–] caryll 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, and this is your only chungus personality, which you seem unaware glows in the dark. I hope figuring out the second guy talking about blood constantly with the Bloodborne profile picture is part of the Big Chungus wasn't too mentally taxing.

Be sure to conserve your energy for the next time, you might be able to actually voice your condemnation for the material support base for the Palestinian resistance. China and Iran. They can't shoot settlers with your heckin updoots, my good sir.

[–] the_fuckler@nord.pub 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Bro who are you talking to?

Wait no, this was on me. I was the one who engaged with a fucking robot. I should just stick to shady alleyways at night in towns with meth epidemics

[–] caryll 1 points 12 hours ago

Brother I could teach you a thing or two about gaslighting. There is better acting than this in K-12 theater class production for the parents. Would you like to become a family, so I can clap for you? ❤️‍🩹

[–] the_fuckler@nord.pub 1 points 14 hours ago

Check the profile. You're talking to a bot or a person who is unwell

[–] thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

Oh, I had no idea your ignorant ass spoke for The Will of the Palestinian People. Are you sure you didn't mix that up with Triumph of the Will? That's interesting that you exclude the Palestinian armed resistance from the equation. Could this be informed by your liberal ideology's history of supporting slavery and colonialism, chastizing the rebellious? Or do you think you came up with all this on your own, out of sheer moral superiority? Elaborate on Hamas' position on China. Then contrast it with a few examples of The Will of the Palestinian People. I'm super curious about which ones you will pick! Thanks for participating in a good faith discussion with me.

[–] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You're not wrong but you'll notice that all the countries that have made the strongest criticisms toward Israel are present in that list, like Spain and Ireland. Trade and geopolitics aren't always compatible.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

people say its money that makes the world go round, but I think its more accurate to say trade makes the world go round.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes but CCP controls all trade while it's much harder in free democracies. If CCP actually cares about something it is done immediately. Just take a look at trade war with the US, CCP is always 10 steps ahead because they can move so fast as they can't be held accountable. That's actually why there are so many autocracy proponents in the west now - "democracy is too slow, we're losing".

[–] djsiete@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yes, also true that the CPC is more effective in their decision-making. However, I'd like to claim that a free democracy never existed in the west -- at least not in a way that deserves to be described as such. This varies from country to country, but to put it in general terms, there is democracy in the west insofar that the populace doesn't stray too far away from capitalist doctrine.

The past two-three decades have shown that. No single people would like the housing prices to be as high as they are, or to live in societies where essential services are slowly picked apart by capital. When we vote, we can get the change we want as long as it's acceptable within the bounds of what the country's oligarchy want. And we are steadily under the assault of desinformation campaigns that demonise anything thats left of center -- something you can see in effect with every piece of propaganda hurled at China.

Every single mainstream party within every single western country has turned rightward, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a politician that runs on -- or delivers -- on leftist principles. That is the effect of capital in action. Capitalism cannot exist within democracy -- it will devour the will of people, soon or late.

And this is not to mention the extent to which supposedly free countries have oppressed their peoples for speaking up for the plight of the Palestinians.

What you see in the US is the inevitable result of letting capital exist within democracy.

So no -- "free democracies" don't exist in the west. The CPC, for all its faults, seems to do good by its people. They have high approval within the Chinese populace. And as long as it's American/Western actors accusing the CPC of whichever offense that they themselves were guilty of, and for fear of the emerging superpower that disproves their profit-driven economic models, then I won't believe it. And neither should you.

You and so many are so deluded by propaganda about China. I used to believe it until I saw how these same sources lied so they effortlessly about Gaza and Palestine. Then I went to China to see it for myself -- and it rocks. Housing is cheap, jobs are good and it's hard to believe this was sold to me as a dystopian dictatorship.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They have high approval within the Chinese populace.

Just like Trump has high approval among Fox viewers. Propaganda works.

[–] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago

Let me guess: you're American?

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been to China many times too and it does not rock lmao. You've been eating propaganda and it shows. China is extremely oppressive and it's still incredibly underdeveloped despite LED covered cities you see on tiktok. It's still a matchmaker and status driven society from 20th century despite EV tech.

Also freedom is not binary, the west is more free than China ever was. At least I can type "LGBT" to my chat app which you cannot do in China because CCP autocrats deem it "western propaganda". None of this is a worthy sacrifice for faster decision making, I'd rather be slightly poorer but live in a healthier more free society.

You're a fool.

[–] djsiete@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So if the west indeed is more free, why are people getting arrested, beaten, scolded and losing jobs for supporting Palestinians? Why are neo-Nazi parties rising, why is it ok to run politics solely based on hate for immigrants in every supposedly free society? I guess you're white and don't know what's it like to witness entire political movements dedicated to othering you.

Trump is the president of the US, farage and his like have millions demonstrating against Muslims in the UK, Sweden has Nazis on course to becoming the most popular party. Everyday I am bombarded with messaging reminding me that I'm vermin. Do you mean that a free society is consistent with fascists in every position of power?

And again, all the while this is happening, politics happen in ways that are not popular. Increased living costs, housing basically impossible to acquire, billionaires eating away at the working classes' right. The only solution these so called free societies offer is to blame minorities.

But I guess all of that is ok because you can write LGBTQ? Even tho the trend here is clearly taking us to a point in which the little rights gays have will be put into question?

As an aside: Chinese gay people exist and it is fully legal to be gay in China. So what is even your point?

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So if the west indeed is more free, why are people getting arrested, beaten, scolded and losing jobs for supporting Palestinians

You are incapable of non-binary thinking? It's more free.

There are people much smarter than you or me who try to quantify freedoms and you know what's never doing well on these evaluations? China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices

[–] djsiete@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I write a whole comment for you to just take a snippet of, reply with snark and then send a link that ranks the US democracy index at 81/100.

I very much doubt the intelligence of these people if they call the US a "flawed democracy". It's an oligarchy that knows enough buzzwords to sound correct.

But sure. While China develops their economy, ensure their citizens are well and educated, and act as the only big power actually doing something about climate change, keep deluding yourself that the US is somehow better.

Stupid fucking American.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

not an american but you keep on raging with your dumb tiktok propaganda in hand lmao

[–] djsiete@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're as deluded as one, at least. Westerners' hubris will be their downfall. Just watch

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Gotta buy that surveillance software in order to reverse engineer it.