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Just a quick DuckDuckGo AI response. ~~Further~~ Actual research can be done on your own.
So, cars are worse. But sure, planes aren't "great" either. It's just that the amount of cars on the roads of the world is so significantly much higher than planes, as well as number of trips per day, that plane travel fades in the shadow of cars. There's so much driving compared to flying.
AI is not research. This may all be hallucinated.
And the only way to tell whether it's a hallucination or not is to check it by doing the research yourself ... which is what you should have done in the beginning.
I know. Fixed. But I will not be doing any research myself — I'm not the one interested in finding out information regarding this. OP should be, however, since it seems to be a major concern for them. 👍
And you think OP is incapable of asking the AI?
What do you think you're adding to the conversation by adding AI to it?
Was the information wrong?
The information is pointless because it easily could be wrong. And now anybody who wants to know whether it's wrong or not has to research it themselves ... which they could have done from the beginning.
It just adds a layer of wasteful AI slop that, ultimately, brings absolutely no new information to the table.
Then that's an ad hominem. There's always a potential for error so that alone is not per se disqualifying; and despite how much it might anger you, the major LLMs are more accurate than random chance on questions like this. I feel like if you're going to be bitchy about it (and you seem quite determined to be bitchy about this), you have an obligation to at least do better than the guy who did almost nothing. At least google it or something. Right now you're just telling us, "I can't even say that's wrong, I'm just upset you used an LLM."
I'm not trying to "add AI" to this, nor am I asking OP to use AI... I am saying that actual research should be done to find out more/actual facts.
I think you're derailing this from where I intended it to go. I just wanted to show a quick example of what was already stated — that commercial plane travel is quite efficient, fuel-to-passenger wise. But if "you" want to know more, there's better sources than the quick AI response, hence why I mentioned that it was an AI response in the first place so there's no mistaking it for a real quote. I made sure I cropped the image very carefully too, to include that it was AI, so there's no doubt of that fact.
We're on the same side here, of AI hallucinations and all that, friend. Don't worry. 👍 So let's put that to rest, thanks.
We're really not, if you still think injecting AI slop into a conversation is a good and useful thing to do.
Then we are.
So when I did my own research I came to the conclusion that.. it depends.. There is more going on that just the amount of CO2 being put in the air. It's being put in a different space, from a different fuel type with different byproducts. Either way, it's pretty bad for the environment, just like cars are. And we don't have hybrid or electric large planes yet.
Also, nobody drives their car 5000+km
Very interesting findings! So I guess the question then is, are the total byproducts left in the air by air travel "equally" "bad" (by some measure), compared to the total left by car travel, based on the altitude, chemistry, effects on the atmosphere and ozone layer, ecosystems, individuals, etc. Very complex. 😅
Now do AI search vs a normal search
I did a normal search, the AI response just showed up automatically because I put a lot of words in the query. 😅
https://noai.duckduckgo.com/
I know about that 👍
This one makes it so you always get noai: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/duckduckgo-no-ai-search/
It's okay, thanks, I'm good. I can simply turn it off if it bothers me. I normally just don't look at it, and you can turn it off in the settings anyway. 👍 Thanks though.
The point is that it bothers other people if you do less than half-ass research and then present it as though it's valuable.
I can get that, I'm very anti AI myself, but is it worse than someone just... stating it? I just presented some numbers. Take it or leave it, I did say some actual research needs to be done to confirm. 🤷♂️ I got OP to dig deeper into the topic, and they found interesting stuff that they shared. Mission accomplished from my standpoint. 👍
Yes, it's worse.
Either do slightly more research (click the links in your ai answer) or less, otherwise you're likely to spread hallucinations and misinformation.
I'm with you. I've done both. It's very similar to spreading political memes presented as real that turn out to be false/satire. You're supposed to verify shit is real before you spread it.
I hear what you're saying. I said to OP to do the research that needs doing. They did. I'm considering this case closed. ✅