So, brought on by this thread:
https://hexbear.net/post/8986189?scrollToComments=false
And @EdlritchEconomics@hexbear.net pointing out it's a AI image; here is a whole thing.
So I think the general consensus is AI slop bad and we dont want it in this town.
AI slop is now a bit tricky and I wouldnt blame someone for being tricked and posting slop as if it were real because they were themselves mislead. I dont blame em, scrutinizing every image is an exhausting ordeal.
So my proposal, is that any AI slop presented as true should be removed. Posting AI slop to comment on AI slop seems fine and honest. I dont think anyone posting AI slop and presenting it as real should face consequences unless there is evidence of doing it on purpose but we cant have robot pictures pretending to be real pictures. We need Blade Runners.
I dunno if a task force or an if you see something say something method is best, but it's just gonna get harder to spot for a while until the whole thing turns into a fun house mirror, so it seems worth getting in front of. You shouldn't have to scroll the comments to find out a posted image is AI and I would prefer no image posted here be AI unless it's meant to comment on that image as an AI image, illustrating a point about a slop image is one thing but if an image is AI I think it should just be removed but ill accept a tag being needed.
I picked Chat cause I dunno if anyone uses Feedback nowadays.
This also just made me think of photoshopping pictures to make them look like AI for plausible deniability/for a bit
I think we should do your proposal because it would ultimately cause a massive amount of drama and hexbear hasn't had a moderation struggle session lately. It'll be like when hexbear renamed the_dunk_dank for the 4th time. Honestly it's a very very bad idea and hexbear should do it because of that. It's part of the hexbear character, making up moderation rules that don't exist on any other website and enforcing those rules haphazardly.
Requiring all AI images to be removed from the website would create a mechanism for any post to be removed on a whim if accused of being AI. The chance of false positives is too high.
In 1997, IBM Deep Blue was the first computer to defeat a world chess champion at chess. The modern chess engine called 'Stockfish' is virtually unbeatable by any human, since like 2014. This same principle applies to AI image generation. 2 years ago, it was very easy to spot an AI generated image. 2 years from now, it will be virtually impossible, if not already.
Hexbear already has rule 13 which prevents spreading misinformation. Any AI image which spreads misinformation can already be removed by that rule.
There are also many instances where it could be important to post an AI image. For example, Trump posts AI images on truthsocial all day, every day. What if Trump posts an image of an explosion in Iran and says "This is a photo of the US bombing Iran". Is hexbear not allowed to document the President of the imperial core using fake images to promote endless killing? This is not a hypothetical. This is something that Trump has done many times before. Trump posted AI images of the Iran women's soccer team and said that Iran would kill the women for not singing Iran's national anthem.
Forming an AI detection taskforce is an absurd proposition. Can you name a single website in the history of the internet which has created an AI image detection team? It doesn't exist because it is irrational. It would be less irrational for hexbear to ban all image posts than it would be for hexbear to try to determine which images are AI. At least if hexbear banned all images, then it would be consistent and not based on misinformed guessing.
It would be more reason to require that non-OC images include a link to the original source of that image and then determine whether then say whether the source is a credible source or a non-credible source.
The primary purpose of hexbear should be documenting real things that happen. If a powerful figure purports an AI generated image to be real, that should be documented.
Creating a punitive system rather than a preventative system is in itself reactionary thinking and anti-materialist. "We need Blade Runners." is cop brain. It's like pretending that you're The Punisher and wearing Punisher Skull.
What would be more helpful is forming a team that teaches people how to post correctly. There's not really anything that teaches people how to make posts and the rules have often been poorly documented.
Let's look at a real world example of punitive thinking vs preventative thinking. Low income areas have higher rates of youth crime. Reactionaries will say something like that low income areas have more crime because low income people are just worse. Punitive thinking would say that this problem would be solved by having harsher punishments for children, maybe even trying them as an adult, because reactionaries believe that harsh punishments will deter crime.
Let's look at the same situation with preventative thinking. If children in low income areas are given more life opportunities like free meals, afterschool programs, and access to higher education, then they are less likely to do crimes. If some teen is playing sports with a coach after school, then they will be less inclined to be shoplifting beers from the corner store.
If you don't want people to make bad posts, then you should teach people how to make good posts. There should be places where people discuss the best posting methods and can ask for tips on how to post.
Read my post. Ylu are putting a lot of words in my mouth
wut if it's good misinformation
rule 13 says that posts containing misinformation have to be clearly labeled as misinformation.