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[–] Photonic@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And why would they want to weaken the economy? Come on you can do better than that. Use your other brain cell.

And who said they shouldn’t do sanctions? Please quote me on that. And you think I’m the one arguing in bad faith? F off

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And why would they want to weaken the economy? Come on you can do better than that. Use your other brain cell.

it's literally in my comment above, read.

And who said they shouldn’t do sanctions? Please quote me on that.

Why the fuck should I quote you on that? I never said you said that.

What you did do is imply that it didn't impact Russia's war making capabilities, and I told you that you can go ask Ukrainians about that.

And you have the nerve to tell me I’m the one arguing in bad faith? F off

yes you are.

"Just asking questions" that you know the answers to. You fuck off

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's literally in my comment above, read.

So you think that is supposed to be the end goal? Maybe you can think juuust 1 step further.

I never said you said that.

Then who were you replying to? God? Santa? Why should I be the one to ask whether Ukrainians prefer no sanctions?

What you did do is imply that it didn't impact Russia's war making capabilities,

I said they’re ramping up ballistic missile attacks, which they are. I said nothing about the front, drone attacks or whatever. The point was that they still have plenty of production capabilities to ramp these up despite all these sanctions and years of costly war. And supposedly having hit their limit, which is what we’ve been hearing for years now. So yeah, I don’t believe the boy who cried wolf this time. F me right?

"Just asking questions" that you know the answers to. You fuck off

When the f did I say I was “just asking questions”? That’s the second straw man you made in two comments. You really couldn’t recognize a bad faith argument if it hit you in the face because they are all you’ve got.

No, I made a statement. There was no question mark at the end. You chose to respond to that with a load of nonsense that shows you don’t understand an iota of this conflict and act like your shitty opinion is truth.

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So you think that is supposed to be the end goal? Maybe you can think juuust 1 step further.

Again "just asking questions". If you want to make a point. Fucking make it. Fuck off with this "just asking questions" bullshit.

And yes, weakening Russia's war making capabilities is the fucking end goal.

Europe was perfectly happy with Russia having a strong economy to buy European goods and sell them cheap gas. There is no other end goal.

I said they’re ramping up ballistic missile attacks, which they are. I said nothing about the front, drone attacks or whatever. The point was that they still have plenty of production capabilities to ramp these up despite all these sanctions and years of costly war.

Yeah, completely ignoring the fact that they'd be able to produce much more without the sanctions. Also why are cruise missile attacks dropping? Maybe because they can't keep up production because of sanctions? funny that.

And supposedly having hit their limit

According to whom?

The only quote you made was Von der Leyen, who didn't fucking say that, did she?

which is what we’ve been hearing for years now

No we haven't.

So yeah, I don’t believe the boy who cried wolf this time.

If you hear "wolf" when people say something else, that's on you.

When the f did I say I was “just asking questions No, I made a statement.

A comment with nothing but questions you know the answer to but imply the answer is something else. That is exactly the definition of "just asking questions". And you do it in other places as well.

What is the point of the sanctions?

The war hasn’t ended, has it?

Not a statement, is it?

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

May I remind you of your first comment on this thread?

>Ursula von der Leyen, 2022 Are you somehow implying that she was wrong?

And again, I’m not just asking questions and I never claimed that. Questions are a normal part of life, get used to it.

You know the end goal is to stop the war. That hasn’t happened. I’m asking you questions because you’re dancing around that disingenuously. The end goal cannot be to continue the war but at a lower pace and you know it.

Cruise missile attacks are dropping because they’re much easier to take down than ballistic missiles.

And you’re making it (again, disingenuously) seem like I said the sanctions aren’t having any effects. That is not what I said and you also know it. I said that despite the sanctions they are still ramping up ballistic missile attacks. So the message that they have hit their war economy limits is false. Since once you hit your limit –that’s what a limit means– you can’t continue.

They have not stopped, ergo they have not reached the limit.

According to whom?

Really? You can’t even read the headline of the article this thread is under. How am I supposed to take you seriously?

If you hear "wolf" when people say something else, that's on you.

Here are a whole bunch of people claiming exactly that:

https://www.russiamatters.org/node/35164

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-worsens-current-account-ruble-energy-exports-2023-7

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2025/09/fortress-russia-economy-has-adapted-well-pressure-stagflation-presents-opportunity-west

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2026/feb/06/the-russian-economy-is-finally-stagnating-what-does-it-mean-for-the-war-and-for-putin

I’m beginning to think you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about…

Not a statement, is it?

Not the comment you initially replied to, is it? Disingenuous #3

But good talk my man. Keep it up and nobody will ever want to talk to you.

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here are a whole bunch of people claiming exactly that:

No they don't, have you even read those articles?

They make claims that are completely factual.

Not the comment you initially replied to, is it? Disingenuous #3

The original comment I replied to had a quote of Von der Leyen that you implied was making claims it didn't.

You know the end goal is to stop the war. That hasn’t happened.

And you keep implying that sanctions aren't having the effect of bringing that end sooner, which they do.

So the message that they have hit their war economy limits is false

You cannot possibly know if they've hit their limits because you can't see the future. So you cannot say that this message is false.

You keep saying that people have made that claim before, and it was false then, so it must be false now. But as your own sources show, nobody made this claim before.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

No they don't, have you even read those articles?

I have, have you? And here I was thinking asking questions was illegal.

that you implied was making claims it didn't.

Yes. So not a question. Thank you. You started out by asking question and then get mad when someone asks a question in return that you can’t and won’t answer.

you keep implying that sanctions aren't having the effect of bringing that end sooner, which they do.

Citation needed. The point is they have never proven to end wars sooner.

you cannot say that this message is false.

I said I will believe it when I see it. I have not seen the war ending because of the economy. Ergo: limit not yet hit. I don’t get why this is so hard for you.

But as your own sources show, nobody made this claim before.

Only to someone who can’t read…

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

I have, have you? And here I was thinking asking questions was illegal.

Quote from the first article you posted

Not only is Russia far from being penniless, its economy is growing

So no, it's not saying that the economy has reached its limits, who you have not "heard it before"

it supports the opposite of the point you're trying to make.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Funny, you must really be blind or illiterate, because you read right past:

“Yale’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his four co-authors declared that “business retreats and sanctions are catastrophically crippling  the Russian economy.”

And

“Predictions of Russia’s economic meltdown continued into 2023, with the New Republic diagnosing Russia as “going broke fast

And

“Business Insider editors describing Russia’s economy as “spiraling

And

“One of Putin’s own oligarchs, Oleg Deripaska, predicted in March 2023 that Russia may run out of money in 2024”

Funny how that works. And you wonder why people ask you questions to check your knowledge about a certain topic…

it supports the opposite of the point you're trying to make.

In my initial comment a few days ago, if you can even think that far back (idk, it seems like you might not) I said I will believe it when I see whether or not the Russian economy is actually at its limits. The article supports that. People keep saying it is

catastrophically crippling

Or

meltdown

Or

going broke fast

Or

spiralling

Or

run out of money

But it wasn’t. And now:

hits its limits

So I said I will believe it when I see it. And I will, but I haven’t seen it. That’s all.

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

And none of those said that Russia's economy had reached its limits, as you claim.

“Yale’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his four co-authors declared that “business retreats and sanctions are catastrophically crippling  the Russian economy.”

Looking ahead, there is no path out of economic oblivion for Russia

"looking ahead"

“Predictions of Russia’s economic meltdown continued into 2023, with the New Republic diagnosing Russia as “going broke fast

In time, Putin will run out of economic bullets

"in time"

And

“Business Insider editors describing Russia’s economy as “spiraling

That one just says that the car industry is falling apart, which was true and the auto industry is now pretty much dead.

“One of Putin’s own oligarchs, Oleg Deripaska, predicted in March 2023 that Russia may run out of money in 2024”

A Russian businessman worried about his wealth, really?

So the article you linked doesn't say what you think it says and links to articles cherry picking quotes to pretend they are saying something they don't.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

LOL you really don’t handle being wrong very well, do you?

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

None of the sources you quoted say what you claim they do and I'm wrong?

Just go away.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In your extremely biased mind where a parallel reality exists they indeed didn’t claim what they claimed.

Good boy

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

I guess only in my biased mind is a prediction about the future a statement about the present.

Learn about the flow of time.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Only in your mind is a statement not a statement…

And at the same time a statement is a question…

And maybe there are some flying pink elephants around there, who knows, there appears to be a lot of room.

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

are some flying pink elephants around there

Aye flying, or will fly?

Since you can't distinguish present from future

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

are catastrophically crippling

Bonus from same article:

“the facts are that, by any metric and on any level, the Russian economy is reeling

is going broke fast

is spiraling

run out of money in 2024

(Editor’s note: it is now 2026)

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Ok? Cherry picking much?

That's not the conclusion they reached, is it? That's the observation they're making upon which they base their conclusions. The conclusion they all reached is that it will have major impacts at some undefined point in the future. But that is inconvenient for the point you're trying to make.

And Deripaska, still, really? He only cares about his own pockets.

(Editor’s note: it is now 2026)

And I guess the editor is so far up his own ass, that he didn't realize Russia has been in a recession since end of 2025?

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

LOL, these are literally in the titles of the articles. Except for the bonus one, which is the last sentence, in the last paragraph of the one with the headline.

You won’t stop trying, will you? Hilarious man!

he didn't realize Russia has been in a recession since end of 2025?

Is a recession the same as being out of money?

And I thought questions were forbidden…

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

LOL, these are literally in the titles of the articles.

My condolences for having been in a coma for 20 years.

Here a development that happened to media while you were out to help your media literacy catch up to 2026

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clickbait

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Hahaha so let me get this straight:

I said I will believe it when I see it, since I have seen people say things like the headline of this article for years

You: nah you haven’t.

I show you a bunch of headlines saying things like the headline of this article.

And your defense is: “click bait exists” ??

Hahahahaha just when I thought you couldn’t get any dumber –or more entertaining

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 1 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

I said I will believe it when I see it, since I have seen people say things like the headline of this article for years

no you didn't. Don't lie.

I’ll believe it when I see it. I have been hearing this since 2022 and they’re unleashing more and more ballistic missiles on Kyiv every week

Also I never replied to that comment of yours, I commented to your Von der Leyen quote which you implied to be incorrect.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 0 points 46 minutes ago (1 children)

no you didn't. Don't lie.

lol you dumbass read my initial comment on this article.

your Von der Leyen quote which you implied to be incorrect.

Yep, it was wildly premature to claim such a thing. And the data afterwards of the Russian economy hanging on for years have shown that.

[–] Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.ca 1 points 35 minutes ago* (last edited 32 minutes ago) (1 children)

lol you dumbass read my initial comment on this article.

Guess what I quoted above you illiterate clown

Yep, it was wildly premature to claim such a thing. And the data afterwards of the Russian economy hanging on for years have shown that.

So you finally answered my initial question, amazing. Took for fucking ever.

No her claim was factual, dumbass.

You just read "will drain Russia's economy" and understand "will immediately lead to a meltdown of Russia's economy"

Don't blame others for your illiteracy

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

Mate, you’ve shown time and time again that you don’t understand what is said.

Don’t quote it. Read it.

So you finally answered my initial question, amazing.

Ahhhh, so you were… how you say it… “just asking questions”?

And how many questions of mine have you not answered. My question to you was the answer dumbass. You could have figured it out for yourself. The sanctions were intended to drain the economy so much that Russia couldn’t continue fighting

And yes, she was wrong, as they were at their third sanction package at the time of that statement. They needed 17 (!) more to add on top of those. So no, those three packages in 2022 were not in fact draining the economy.

Also, what you don’t get is the simple fact it was just one example. I’ve shown you a whole bunch more after that which you tried and failed to pick apart.

So yeah, I think you’re still very much the dumbass here :)

Sorry, better go look for that pink flying elephant up there.