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[–] Australis13@fedia.io 5 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Here in PAL world, I think most of TNG, DS9 and the first 4? seasons of VOY clocked in around 44 minutes without commericals. It then dropped to 42 minutes through the remainder of VOY and all of ENT.

By the 2010s most US procedurals (e.g. NCIS and its spinoffs, Elementary, etc.) were averaging 39 minutes per episode.

In the 2010s, one of our free-to-air stations started butchering shows that had longer runtimes (e.g. Seven Wonders of the Industrial World, early Murder, She Wrote episodes), cutting them from their normal 45 to 47 minute duration down to 40-42 minutes to fit the expected amount of advertising for a one-hour timeslot.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

We're watching 'Murder, She Wrote' now, and they feel really tightly written. There's not a lot of filler and they end faster than i expect. Cutting 5 minutes out of those just would not work.

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Sometimes it was quite obvious where cuts had been made, sometimes not. An easy cut was the episode preview before the title sequence -- I can only recall one episode actually retaining it.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

Ah yeah those are dumb.

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

No wonder the older shows in general seem to tell a better story. They were telling MORE story

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 6 hours ago

better actors and writers, the current ones in nutrek are pretty unlikable, minus the legacy ones. like when one of the STD actors passed away, people were like WHO?

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

They had time to tell a full story

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 6 hours ago

and add more to it. then slop by nutrek.

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Its one if the greatest failings of modern scifi. It uses cgi and effects as a crutch for story telling. We have some exceptions to the rules of course, but in general they move fast and skip story beats or discussion.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 6 hours ago

cgi and effects arnt the only crutch. its the unnecessary added characthers with thier unique personalities in the shows that dint advance the plot that much.

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I think it's quite possible to still tell a good story in the time allocated these days (noting that streaming shows have more variability in episode length too), but I agree that there is far too much focus on SFX and fast pacing that often leaves the story lacking (and gaping plot holes).

[–] adarza@piefed.ca 3 points 22 hours ago

with literally every other option just a click away now, they feel they 'have to' do it that way to keep viewers interested.