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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Or, alternately, preparing NATO for America's exit. I could easily see a scenario where they're more trouble than they're worth.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 12 hours ago

that started more than a year ago.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world -4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Think 40 years from now, what will the be the criteria for success? It's keeping the US in. Not some organizational shuffling.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

40 years is an unreasonably long timeframe to be making projections like this. Assuming the US is still having elections there will have been 10 opportunities for their government to completely flip-flop its intentions in that time.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 13 hours ago

Yes but if they don't it will be 40 years of extra security.

I can't really see how America been in NATO can be anything other than a good thing. They're not great allies at the moment but that uncertainty about how America would respond is what's keeping China from attacking Taiwan.

It's not worth throwing all that away just so we don't have to talk to Trump anymore.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

What? The point is to take a long term view of what is successful and what is not. When you're sitting there in retirement, what is the measure of success in your career. Success for Rutte (and Nato) is not some organizational shuffling, it's keeping the US.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 13 hours ago

Success for Rutte (and NATO) is protecting NATO members against invasion or attack.

If the US' membership is raising that risk for the other members rather than lowering it, then in that situation letting the US exit can be a net benefit for NATO's members (which would no longer include the US).