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AOC Says She Would ‘Absolutely’ Vote to Oust ‘Very Weak’ Speaker McCarthy
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I think they're trying to finalize the GOP permanently splitting into two minority parties. The corporate GOP and the big lie Q crazies party.
If that happens the dems can run everything until enough of both parties can combine into a new oligarchy party.
That's impossible with the way our system is set up (FPTP). They will never fracture hard enough to abstain from voting or actually come across the aisle. The crazier, more passionate viewpoints will take charge of party, and the rest will meekly follow with the justification of "they're less crazy than the dems." Maybe some individual voters will realize that the entire party is going nuts, but for every "independent" voter who finally gets the message, 5 ignorant fools who have never voted are scared into joining the electorate by a new level of fear mongering lies about who and what is responsible for the state of the country.
With book bans being stacked upon decades of defunded public education, things are very bleak.
You realize this country didn't start with Republicans and Democrats as the dominant parties, right?
You realize that this country didn't start with any political parties at all, right? And that Washington tried to warn people against their formation, even as Adams and Jefferson consolidated power?
Like no shit things didn't instantly fall apart the second the Constitution was ratified, there's been 250 years of context, but FPTP is still one of the central causes of the stratification of elected politicians that we see today
You do realise that there have only been 6 'systems' in the United States over its 250+ year history, right? And you do realise that the only actual political party changes were the First to Second Party System (in 1828, with the Federalists dying off) and the Second to Third Party System (in 1860, with the Whigs dying off, replaced by the Republicans)? You do realise that the Third to Fourth Party System, the Fourth to Fifth Party System, and the Fifth to Sixth Party System have only been realignments of the two existing parties? You do realise that the last time a non-major-party POTUS candidate won even a single EV was in 1968? You do realise that even Ross Perot couldn't get a single EV in 1996?
You realise that this country has a system in place to prevent voters from causing effective changes? Your vote for your minor party only ensures that you get the major party most opposed to your stances in a FPTP system elected, and you end up getting nothing of what you wanted instead of just something. If you want that fixed, your first step is to get your State to join Maine and Alaska and use Ranked Choice Voting. Your second step is then to get more third party Representatives and Senators in. Then you got to change the Constitution so that the POTUS is directly elected, rather than through the Electoral College, and use RCV nation-wide for that. That's a far better strategy than relying on something that's not happened in the past 160 years. IMNSHO, of course. :)
Matt Gaetz sees a difference between the two. It doesn't necessarily matter if you or I see their policies as meaningfully different. They are willing to go to war with each other over ultimately minor things.
Another case in point is when Greene called Boebert a "little bitch". The reason? Boebert had introduced an impeachment proposal against Biden, and Greene accused her of copying exactly what she was going to do. They are not united in purpose; they want the "prestige" of being the one to press that button.
Take advantage of this. It's the biggest blind spot in extreme right ideology. They absolutely will crack apart if they're pushed enough on it. They're already doing it on their own.