It doesn’t help my hope for things that, every time Carney clearly represents the owner class over the working class, I see people in comment sections talking about they “don’t like it but you gotta get things done!”. No, this is bad and should not be excused, and why do we always have to have excuses and patience for centrist and right-wing bullshit, which has still yet to show any real functionality, but we won’t even try being progressive despite the innumerable examples of progressive policy working all over the world? Even Mamdani is making it work in the US and we act like Carney needs to allow unreviewed distruction of our environment to benefit O&G companies or the whole country will up and die in only a couple years’ time.

I’m so tired of this crap. I’m so tired of us willfully throwing away our rights and self-respect just to get leaders who will ignore us at every possible turn. I’m sick of people saying that the left will be like Soviet Russia while everything they describe as guaranteed with progressivism is literally happening, openly, in front of them under conservative governments(like our current one, too). Degrading our democracy almost feels like it’s still democratic because so much of the population seems perfectly happy to watch it happen.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Many jobs SHOULD be public sector jobs. Like water utilities, garbage collection, electrical utilities, teaching, college teacher.

These public sector jobs should be 4 days a week, with a 5th day of retraining/training. So people keep gaining more skills encase technology changes the workforce, and make peoples' lives more meaningful.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

The fifth day should just be free, with training being offered during portions of the year for everyone or as a system similar to, but separate from, vacation days. Imagine a couple weeks in the year where everyone gets together for training or a fairly generous pool of training days to take from and an approved list of courses.

[–] TheAgeOfSuperboredom@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 days ago

Exactly this! A great example is when the Alberta UCP flat out told renewable energy companies that they just were not allowed to do business in Alberta. Straight up, in your face central planning. Free market indeed...

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 days ago

I am not far left enough to say communism is the right goal, yet, but I am further left than saying we need socialist reforms. I am from Saskatchewan so I can see the benefits of psuedo-socialized markets (think phone and internet with Sasktel sticking it to the big 3) I just wish the rest of the province could see it to. If Saskatchewan can see it and really start celebrating it maybe the rest of Canada could as well.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm 100% behind you with this.

And every time I mentioned how it was a bad idea to vote for Carney and how bad he is, I kept being downvoted and then people comment "yeah but we would've has Poilievre otherwise."

No we wouldn't. A lot of NDP ridings turned red because of this. But people should have voted for the NDP. With them as a strong opposition, we would still be in a better position in a minority big C Conservative government than we are right now with a majority small c conservative government.

Carney is a corporatist. He knows how to sweet talk investors to gain their trust like any CEO can bullshit people into buying their stock. And he's done that with all of Canada.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Be careful what you wish for...

we would still be in a better position in a minority big C Conservative government than we are right now with a majority small c conservative governent.

You might not have been aware of the full stakes and nuances of the situation in late 2024, early 2025. At around December 2024, Trudeau was so unpopular that Poilievre was in clear majority territory, not minority if an election were held then.

This is more a matter of opinion, and I agree what we have is not a great situation, but do you really think that having Pierre in charge, with a cabinet of emboldened racists and a coalition of a group of conservative Liberals would be better than this? Metaphorically I see it as having Pierre in the driver's seat with Liberals with them in the front and the NDP backseat driving in the opposition, versus Mark in the front, with the NDP and the Cons together in the back with PP unable to find a compelling message.

Plus, getting Lewis to unapologetically push left-wing ideas for us I think is a better strategy than Singh's centre-left conciliatory approach that had exhausted its usefulness. The orange wipeout was, rightfully IMO, a wakeup call for the Canadian left.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

...the Singh centre-left got lots of stuff done in Canada like a dental plan.

The left needs simpler ideas, like 'we'll just hire your kids right out of trade school, and give them a job building 500,000 social housing units' so they can make money and get experience'.
The left also needs to get tough on crime. Get rid of the violence in prisons by making them safe, but put lots more people behind bars.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed with your first and second points, crime definitely is a separate discussion, I'm mixed on that.

Recall that I wrote "...had exhausted its usefulness", implying it was good, but unlikely to be as effective going forward.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The police forces are controlled by very right wing people, they don't put any energy into causes that they don't like, like loud and reckless driving cars.
It would be good to make the police forces more responsive to the communities they serve, but the left has no interest. Legalize drugs, make they only available through license sellers...and go after the unauthorized seller very very very hard, because those people don't care about you, or making Canada better.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

but the left has no interest.

You mean the centrist liberals right? Progressives are 100% on board with changing the way law enforcement is done, top to bottom. Its a core of their platform.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Progressives are 100% on board with changing the way law enforcement is done

The left can't communicate what it wants law enforcement to be.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actually they have. Many times. They mainly want to defund the police and use these funds for other social programs meant to reduce crime overall. Social housing is one of them. Legalizing drugs, sex work, increasing wages to allow people to afford their basic needs like shelter and food, providing better access to mental health services and social workers, etc.

Conservatives on the other hand want the opposite. They want to defund everything else and give it all to the cops who are just going to beat up and arrest people who are clearly in need of help. Can't afford shelter? Camp in a park. But that's illegal. Can't afford food? Steal it. But that's illegal. Can't get mental health? Go in full mental breakdown and use illegal drugs to try and self medicate. But that's illegal.

Get the point?

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Defunding the police and using that money legalize all drugs...is an idealist plan that won't end well. Police reform sure, legalized drugs sure. But some explanation between the two positions needs to be thought through.

About 10% of society is made up of people that are evil, like to pull wings of flies, kick dogs, laugh at handicapped people. The left has no way of dealing with them.

[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 0 points 18 hours ago

That's not even the point I was making.

I didn't say abolish, I said defund.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Ah I see, its all the out of power progressives fault. Darn those progressives. Powerless and maligned but completely at fault for the abuses of leadership.

Aslo you frame it as if it was simply a problem of progressives communicating what centrists and the right just somehow cant see, or the centrists and right being willing to listen.

Could it be the centrists and right know exactly what the problems are and choose not to address them?

[–] ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Carney is decidedly NOT a Corporatist. He is 100% a Banker, tried and true.

A Banker is what makes a Corporist possible.