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[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Good idea, it depends on the implementation though - sometimes having a browser on demand is important.

[–] vatlark@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some feature phones had browsers

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’m aware. Browsers have been in phones long before smartphones.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I hate to break it to you but smart phones have been around since before the Web.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

WAP/WML browsers, not web browsers.

[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just googled to see if I was misremembering because I definitely browsed the regular web on my Nokia N73. It also came out in 2006, and back in the day it was not called a smartphone.

I would say your statement is factually incorrect.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ll say I’m correct on a technicality. 2006 is not “long before smartphones” only a year or so. The N73 is a sort of proto-smartphone, even if the term wasn’t in use yet.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I’m really curious what other metric there is for a smart phone than “accessing the web” and/or “downloading apps”. Thats the barebones definition of smart TVs or any other appliance or equipment, why are phones somehow different?

Why are people trying to define it so specifically? So they can feel better about themselves?

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The point where it becomes a general-purpose computing device, I think. Programmability is generally what makes it “smart”, i.e. not having the limitation of predefined “features” which make it a feature phone.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn’t a feature phone a “dumb phone”? A phone meant for calling and texting, and that’s it. So yeah, apps and a browser would instantly make it a smart phone.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It’s all relative but more or less yes.

Dumb phone has no software features (e.g. Nokia 5110 or so — unless you count the snake game), feature phone has software features but limited to the ones that come with the phone (rarely installable at all), smart phone has actual software aka “apps”

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

How do you think people managed before smart phones?

Nothing’s that important it can’t wait to get home or to a library, or call someone and get them to check if it is THAT important .

[–] whatsisface@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So many places now just assume you have a phone. I've been to restaurants that don't have physical menus by default and just have a QR on the table.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I’ve never been to one that didn’t have a paper menu for the elderly or otherwise less abled. Or they have a tablet for you to use.

[–] Gumbyyy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

From the article (emphasis mine):

The Callback is built to do many everyday things, even without a browser. You get QR codes, maps, home security apps, global cellular bands, predictive text messaging, and popular communication app support.

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

QR codes in restaurants are usually just links. Without a browser how would you follow them?

[–] placebo@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

You can scan a QR code, but what's the point if you don't have a browser to follow the link to the menu?

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m not saying it’s unmanageable, I’m saying it’s useful to have one.

A web browser is not the problem in most people’s cases, social media is. The point of a dumb smartphone is to keep all the useful tools while banning the harmful ones.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No, if people can receive emails, it defeats the entire purpose. Just don’t install those apps then? Lol. A browser allows access to most social media anyways, so providing one is counter to its purpose.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Strongly disagree. Email is foundational communication just like text messaging.

Social media is NOT foundational communication.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If I’m expecting an immediate response, an email would be the second to last thing I would I do. Emails are different from texts entirely. It’s more akin to sending a letter, it’s even in the name, e”mail”.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cool in principle, but in practice emails are used as instant verification for all kinds of things. Even if you don’t need email immediately, there are lots of other people who do.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Instant verification for what without already being on a phone? If you’re already on the computer, just use the computers browser and log in to your email? Why are you making this more complicated than reality.

There’s literally no reason to instantly need your email, and if you do, than these phones aren’t meant for you, you need to be connected.

Also, what 2fa does email but not text messaging…?

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And an email can wait until you get home, if it’s that important, call, but texts suffice.

A browser allows access to social media, so now you just lost the phones sole purpose, good job.

[–] YexingTudou@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Not impossible to get by, but a lot more difficult in the modern world. I used a dumb phone for a little while a few years ago and I just ended up carrying a smartphone w/o a SIM to tether when needed bc of how much infrastructure assumes you have a smartphone nowadays (in the US at least). It's infuriating - not impossible, but a lot more difficult than it used to be.