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[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But if they had learned from their mistakes, it would have improved, but unfortunately those very same error were repeated multiple time (see the multiple famines the USSR faced while strangely their western counterparts did not.

What other famine after holodomor? I can only think of one but was during siege from the nazis.

[+] Dremor@lemmy.world -6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

1921-1922 (Povolzhye, or Volga famine), 5-10 millions dreath
1932-1933 (Holodomor), 3.5 to 7 millions death in Ukraine alone
1930-1933 (Asharshylyk), 1.5 million deaths (seem small, but that was 40% of then Kazakhstan population)
1932-1933 (at the same time than the Holodomor, but in Russia) : 1 to 2 millions deaths
1946-1947: 1 to 1.5 millions deaths

And that's only those who were big enough to be impossible to hide completely.

All of them have something in common: the central government minimised them, and tried to hide them. Some weren't even acknowledged until after the USSR fall. All of them are a combination of bad luck (war, drought) combined with hasty decisions which made what could have been a hard year a generational disaster.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

You're referring to a famine at the outset of the USSR coming from civil war, referring to the 1930s famine as 3 separate famines, and blaming the famine caused by Nazi invasion on the Soviets. There's good reason that's all you have to bring up.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Question: "what famines occurred because the Soviets didn't learn from the 1933 famine?"

Answer: A famine from -before- that famine, the famine you're being asked to name one after, TWO OTHER FAMINES THAT HAPPENED THE SAME YEAR, and the one that happened because the fucking nazis invaded

What a mixture of bad faith and just plain stupid

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

TWO OTHER FAMINES THAT HAPPENED THE SAME YEAR

It's also exceptionally bad faith to treat it as three famines while it was a single one occuring on huge areas. But once we learn it, the entire "holodomor" narration shatter immediately.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

So, to summarize, there was exactly one famine after the 32-33 one, and it came immediately after the USSR was devastated by ww2

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

4 million dead in the Bangal Famine caused by the British in 1943
1 million people died in a drought in the Sahel region
1.5 Million died in Bangladesh from floods in 1974
1 million died in Ethiopia famine between 1983- 84
70,000 people died in 1998 in Sudan from Famine
2.7 million people died in the Second Congo War between 1998 - 2004 mostly from starvation and disease

All have something in common: The capitalist core ignored people, caused wars or restricted economic at their periphery and let millions them die.

The death toll by the capitalist empires are way higher and going way more recent in history.