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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Russia is clearly after the Donbass, not all of Ukraine. Elections will persist even after the almost certain conclusion, that being full annexing of the 4 oblasts. This is the sensible outcome, considering western Ukraine coup'd the president supported by the Donbass region in a Banderite takeover:

Since the Banderite coup in 2014, Ukraine has been in a civil war where Kiev has been ethnically cleansing the Donbass region. The Minsk agreements were both tanked by Ukraine and the west, meaning diplomatic solutions to the Civil War were tried, and failed.

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If Russia is clearly only after Donbass, why did they open by trying to seize the capital?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They didn't seriously try to take the capital, and even if by miracle they did, the purpose is to end the war then and there. Right now they are focusing on attrition, wearing Ukraine down slowly.

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If it is so, why are they bombing and loosing personnel in Sumy or Kharkiv?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you think in war you only attack what you directly plan on taking?

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  1. Even when you routinely bomb civilians?
  2. In your logic there's nothing that can disapprove your position. Good luck Mr. Gorsky.
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you referring to Kiev shelling civilians in the Donbass region for 8 years, prompting Russia's entry into the war? Also, no clue why you're calling me Mr. Gorsky, are you accusing me of being Russian just because I think the people in Donetsk and Luhansk are human?

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

fuelled by the inflow of foreign fighters and weapons from the Russian Federation, accounts for the majority of violations of the right to life in Ukraine over the last two years

On April 12th 2014, a Russian citizen and FSB undercover officer Igor Strelkov led a group of Russian soldiers to take over Slov'yansk. Before that he was participating in annexation of Crimea which also leg to killings and torture of Ukrainian and Crimean tatar civilians and activists. He was later supported by regular Russian troops.

Since 2022 Russian aggression destroyed hundreds of cities and towns, including but not limited to Bakhmut, Mariupol, Avdiivka, Vuhledar, Soledar, Popasna. They forced mobilisation of local civilians which lead to death of est. 20-25 thousands of forcefully mobilized civilians. How about morning them and not a fantasy of a report you can't comprehend starting from the opening.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm aware that the UN report tries to blamw Russia for Kiev killing civilians and separatists, but it's still nice to see them admit that Kiev was massacring civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk. The west coup'd the democratically elected president, and installed a Banderite government. It's no surprise that they'd be seceded from and that this gov would then try to force these same people they've ethnically repressed back into Ukraine.

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You literally ignore part where UN and Hirkin/Strelkov point to Russian aggression, you muppet

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

No, I didn't. You seem awfully content to ignore that Kiev was caught killing thousands of civilians.

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 30 minutes ago (1 children)

Ok, earlier you started that Russia is willing to take only Donbass. Is Zaporizhzha and Kherson a part of it?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 28 minutes ago

Do you think in war you only attack what you directly plan on taking?

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip -5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

And you think Russia would have just traded it back for Donbass? Lol. Lmao, even.

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

No I think they would and did use it to apply political pressure and relieve military pressure from other fronts by drawing enemy reserves. "Trade it for the Donbas" what are you nine?

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

My point is that Russia definitely wanted it, and they definitely wouldn't have come off of it if they conquered it. Pretending it was just a feint or that they didn't really want the capital is just whitewashing Russia's war of conquest.

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

This is you deciding what you want to be true in the face of all evidence to the contrary to preserve the very simplistic good guys/bad guys narrative you prefer.